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[–] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The US could also have easily crushed the Vietnamese./s

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Well... yeah, we could have.

If war was literally as simple as "kill the other person and damn the consequences" the US could have casually wiped out the viet cong at pretty much any point during the war. The political consequences for doing so were the limiting factor - an extreme example, but we could have just nuked north vietnam to glass and been done with it (and obviously that wasn't a realistic option (despite the number of times some psycho general or the other tried to advocate for it)).

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If war was literally as simple as “kill the other person and damn the consequences” the US could have casually wiped out the viet cong at pretty much any point during the war.

They tried that towards the end, sending B-52s to carpet bomb Hanoi. Dozens of planes were shot down, hundreds survived, thousands of civilians were killed. If the US continued, they would have managed to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, but eventually they'd run out of planes before the Vietnamese ran out of people or willingness to defend themselves.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

You all act like we didnt already have dozens of nukes at that ppint and couldnt straight up glass the entire country. It wasnt capability that stopped the US is was political willpower or lack there of.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

They escalated, yes - absolutely not denying that. But the point was that they didn't just nuke the city. Winning was important, but there was a point that the consequences of winning were deemed to outweigh the victory itself.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"we coulda won but we just didn't feel like it."

Not a very convincing argument.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's an oversimplification to the point that it really doesn't represent my argument at all, though. But to treat with what you said, I'm not sure how

The US didn't "feel" like winning the war was so important it justified nuking north vietnam

is a bad representation of the situation? The US didn't drop sarin on the ho chi minh trail, nor did they nuke Hanoi, mobilize full wartime production, draft the "desirables" etc. Politics are a massive part of any war. "An army marches on it's stomach" isn't simply a literal adage about the importance of supplies.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The key difference, for those unfamiliar with Asia or history, is that South Korea is a cohesive modern nation with a competent military and a strong sense of national identity that feel genuine friendship with the US (for now at least). All things that weren't true about South Vietnam.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

South Korea was essentially invented by the US in 1947, it took trillions in investment, and decades of propaganda+imprisoning/killing everyone left of Sygmon Rhee to create the nation of South Korea..

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 points 13 hours ago

How is that pertinent to whether or not the US had the capacity to best NK militarily in the 90s?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think you're giving the US way too much credit here. They helped south korea establish itself with a massive investment, but they didn't "invent" the country, and its pretty insulting to south koreans that you're so willing to take away their agency in the matter.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There literally was no South Korea, just Korea before the US drew a line on a map.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

if i remember correctly, the north koreans also had a role to play in drawing that map, seeing as how the north korean army was pushed all the way north to china's border.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 0 points 3 days ago

No, I mean at the end of WWII, there was just japanese-occupied Korea, the US drew the line, held a sham election to put their puppet in power, and prepared to take the rest of Korea.