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I wonder if there is a single country in Europe ready to receive the amount of Shahed drones Ukraine receives almost daily. All those systems vs oreshnik aren't worth shit if you can't down 300 drones that come with one oreshnik too.
Yes, all of them in fact. It's called deterrence.
Nobody is building systems to constanty destroy hundreds of drones each day. Just like no one (but a few very persistent morons) builds walls to keep attackers away. The actual protection is the consequences for the attacker. Guess what Ukraine would pick between ten thousands of anti-air systems (the amount you would need to protect an actual country, not just some points of strategic interest) and EU-/NATO-membership.
Ok, so what consequences could Europe do? Cause USA signals that they won't take part.
What couldn't Europe do? They are easily โ of NATO in equipment and soldiers. What the US is bringing is mostly the logistics for force projection over-seas. And they increase the number of nukes from enough to destroy the world a few times to a hundred times. Which is totally irrelevant for Europe defending against a country in Europe (that's where the relevant parts of Russia are) on European soil.
People have spend to much time soaking up US propaganda about how they are all paying for Europe's defense. Just the non-US part of NATO is still on a completely different level than Russia. And the few categories where they can somewhat compete still requires to value every single piece of ancient ex-soviet equipment as equal to modern western stuff. They also spend (in today's war time conditions) a fraction of Europe's 2020s defense budget.
So an actual war with Europe instead of screaming Russian propagandists telling funny fairy tales about being "at war with NATO" for years now is consequence enough.
France will send nukes as a warning
Ukraine wasnโt ready to do that in 2022 either.