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How to get banned immediately and forever for a question (thelemmy.club)
submitted 11 hours ago by Hell_nah_brother@thelemmy.club to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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It was a genuine question believe it or not. And “yes” would have been sufficient.

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[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 29 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

You posted a discussion to the Ukraine community about an article from a right-wing newspaper making a spurious claim that Ukrainians are doing Nazi salutes, and you're surprised you were banned? The same newspaper that was agreed to publish pro-Nazi content during the war.

Your question assumed the article was telling the truth. In reality, it's propaganda, and you were spreading it as fact. There are two possibilities for why you did this, and neither are flattering.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I’m tired of playing the “just a useful idiot or sealion” game

[–] unfreeradical@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Fortunately, there usually seems to be a surplus of useless idiots.

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml -4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

According to Wikipedia, de Telegraaf is the largest Dutch morning newspaper, and ~~not specifies if it has a political bias~~ has a conservative and populist bias and based in some articles, it's far-right and fascist "friendly". Also, it's not a spurious claim, it's based in the interview of a mercenary that was in the Ukrainian Army.

What is your source that is a spurious claim?

Edit: Clarify the bias (see answers)

[–] Hyperrealism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

From the wikipedia article you linked:

During World War II, the Telegraaf companies published pro-Nazi German papers, which led to a thirty-year ban on publishing after the war. The prohibition was lifted in 1949 and De Telegraaf flourished anew to become the biggest newspaper in the Netherlands. ... The paper targets a broad audience, mostly in a conservative and populist style.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Telegraaf

Two years later, on 12 September 1902, Holdert acquired the daily newspaper De Telegraaf and its subsidiary De Courant ... At the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, Holdert, by then a long-time resident of Paris, happened to be in Amsterdam for a shareholders' meeting. Even though he the opportunity to leave, having transferred almost all of De Telegraaf's liquid assets to the US, he decided to stay, taking up residence in the Hotel American on Leidseplein. Under Holdert's strict directives, his newspapers adopted a strong anti-German stance at the start of the World War II, but during the German occupation from 1940 to 1945, he sought to prevent his newspapers from falling completely under German and NSB control by allowing the publication of German and pro-German periodicals. He also agreed to support the NSB financially, as long as Holdert's company did not fall into German hands. ... He was succeeded by his son Henri Holdert, who permitted the Germans to place reports in the newspaper, which cost De Telegraaf dearly after the War. On 7 April 1948 the tribunal assumed that Holdert "had not deliberately promoted Nazi propaganda, but that he had used improper means to save his company", so it declared 2 million guilders of Holdert's fortune, then estimated at 17.

NSB was a Dutch Nazi party. A party that the founder of the Telegraaf supported financially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hak_Holdert

In review, De Telegraph covers the Forum for Democracy (FvD) (Dutch far-right party) leader Thierry Baudet and other figureheads favorably. ... When reporting world news, De Telegraaf utilizes emotionally loaded language in their headlines, such as “Corbyn makes an excuse to Labor voters.” This story does not provide hyperlinks to outside sources. They also use loaded emotional headlines when covering immigration: “8.5 percent of those suspected of an offense were immigrants”; however, there isn’t a hyperlinked source to support this claim. ... Articles about USA politics sometimes use a favorable tone for former President Trump, such as: “Donald Trump: “Well come on, impeach me!”. .... In general, news reporting is poorly sourced with a strong right-leaning bias.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/de-telegraaf/

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

My fault, I should have specified it has conservative and populist bias, and thanks for the other links. I don't think that his editorial policy 90 years ago must be seen as the current policy but, as you has shown, it seems to be far-right and fascist "friendly". I will edit my post to correct it.

I'm going a lot off-topic here:I don't think that even it has a fascists bias, we should prima faze reject its content. We should be specially critical: It's a (wo)man-made story? What questions have been done? What narrative it's try to push? ...

The only thing that I think that we could agree is that in the article the fascist question is in various points of the article, but it not seems to be the more important points that the journalist wants to communicate (it's not in the firsts paragraphs), but the tittle gives it a special importance.

I'm not sure what is the position of each of the Europeans fascisms about the Ukraine war, then I cannot Annalise it in this case. As a curiosity: During one or two years I was infiltrated in a telegram group of a fascist Spanish organization, that organization broke up two years ago. The most important flamewars there that I read there, just before the broke up, were "Duginist"[^1] fascist vs. "Atlanticist"[^2] fascist related to the Russian-Ukrainian war.

[^1]: For Aleksandr Dugin fascist ideology. [^2]: For pro State-Unitarians and pro NATO fascists.

Just to clarify: I was infiltrated for my antifascist militance. ACAB.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago

Wikipedia has multiple versions in different languages, and those ones DO specify that the newspaper is right-wing. But even without that, they're the only paper in the Netherlands that printed Nazi propaganda. Of course they have political bias.

So when they demonise the victims of an authoritarian regime with their source being a single person's claims, I have more reason to doubt them than to believe them.