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[–] Balldowern@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Foreigner here. I know you civilians don't control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you've already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.

And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.

But. I do agree with you. That what it’s going to take. We just need to organize.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Each of the branches have long had many global peacetime missions, including humanitarian. They don’t offset the offensive nature of a deployed force, but it can be a good thing to have for delivering defense and aid.

The problem isn’t the enlisted. It is also not limited to the officers. The problem, at present, is primarily the civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 2 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)

This is like saying "don't blame ICE, blame the executive branch". Soldiers follow orders. The enlisted soldiers WILL kill US citizens resisting the government if ordered to. So yeah, they are part of the problem. Same with cops.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 2 points 14 minutes ago

My point is that it isn’t enlisted people that decide on mission. And simply not enlisting doesn’t change that. If the numbers are needed, they will be achieved via volunteer or draft.

Enlisted may or may not attack citizens depending on their views on which orders are lawful. This is nothing like saying not to blame ICE. ICE are signing up to do exactly what they’re doing and should be responsible for it. But enlisted personnel don’t enlist to attack citizens, generally. I’m not saying they are not part of the problem, but they certainly aren’t the root of it.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Having only people who are willing to do atrocities in the military is not going to magically make it better lmfao, nor will it stop it

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 5 hours ago

Given the fact that the navy were quite happy to kill a bunch of unarmed civilians and then come back a second time when some of them didn't appear to be dead enough, doesn't give me a lot of hope that there'll be a lot of conscientious objectors in the military. My view is that if you're already looking at the military as a career option you've got a certain opinion about killing and that opinion is that it's okay to do it as long as someone else gave you the order. Absolutely no need to think about the legality of the order either.

Advocating moral responsibility for your actions is kind of a prerequisite of military service.