The people that do this horseshit never want to move to places where it’s already in place, because they are always dangerous gangland nightmares and those people tend to be soft and sort of stupid. If they went there they wouldn’t survive. They need to be in our safe ordered society, and fuck it up into the nightmare, in safety.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: how much of this is our fault? If people are allowed to vote who don't even know how many branches of government there are, then how can they make effective decisions about the very thing that they know nothing about?

We've seen this before, with Brexit. Democracy requires effort to maintain.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah. Every securely built society gets rotten as time goes on, because no one feels anymore the urgency to maintain it. People used to have a fire of how important it was to make things okay, build and maintain all that structure, and that's what built the mid-20th-century good place that was America (for some people, not that it was "finished" in any sense, but it was pretty freakin' good all things considered and comparatively.)

But yeah then everyone got lazy and let things fall apart. And now, look what happened. Weak people make hard times.