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I've heard that this is so bad that it might be the end of the royal family in Norway.
Damn, I wish! I'm against all kinds of kings.
Why?
They have decorational value, nothing else.
Imagine you have some decorational vases on your mantle. They cost you an extraordinary amount of money each year, but you like them and they're family heirlooms. But then one vase starts spewing the most insane conspiracy theories that make everyone uncomfortable, one shills dangerous health advice for money (despite you paying its salary), one is facing multiple accusations of sexual assault, and has been indicted for rape, and one it turns out is heavily in the Epstein files. Would you reconsider if those vases were worth paying a ton of money every year that could be used to better yourself or others?
I mean, yeah, these specific vases have to go, but I wouldn't reconsider the idea of having vases based off of that.
No? You're saying you wouldn't even consider spending the exorbitant amount of money it cost to maintain those purely decorational vases on something else? Like saving for your retirement or your kid's retirement, setting up community gardens, beefing up your home security, funding medical research, etc?
Well, I like vases. People like vases. Some vases being shitty doesn't make ALL vases shitty.
And let's not pretend like the "royal whatnot" upkeep is a major amount of money on a country's scale. Sure, looking at it itself it seems like a lot, but removing, for example, the UK royal family in its entirety wouldn't even be noticeable in the overall budget. They cost UK taxpayers around £510 million, whereas the 2025 budget spending was £1,244.9 billion. You'd lower it to £1,244.4 billion. That's peanuts.
The issue - on that scale - isn't the funding itself, it's that the overall spending of taxpayer money is extremely inefficient.
Thank you for partaking in this conversation in good faith. This is a good conversation.
That being said, I absolutely hate that attitude. When you look at it as a percentage of annual spending you are right. When you look at it per capita you're right, for the UK it's only £7 per person if my math is right.
That perspective is an extremely privileged one. How many lives could be saved every year with that money? How much good could be done?
We agree that the overall spending and allocation of taxpayer money is inefficient. The difference that I see in this conversation is that you're throwing up your hands and saying "the problem is too big, welp better not do anything about it", while I'm saying "This is a great step in the right direction that can help people now".
Can you give me some reasons to keep the royal family, rather than reasons not to get rid of it?