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[–] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I think I have problems not doing things that are wrong that simultaneously don't hurt people.

I know that didn't come out well, I'll elaborate.

If it involves someone else who's alive, then I'm basically constantly trying the best way to make them happy. I'll try not to be rude, demeaning, etc. And I especially won't try to hurt them. I've had a thought that I would rather kill myself than do that to someone else (as counter productive as it can be, obviously). The only exception is the internet, but I try to be cordial when I can.

But...if it doesn't hurt someone else I turn into a big libertine. Like I used to cheat on tests in high-school [I dont now because it's impractical in college]. I know there's the kantian argument of "if everyone did it it'd be bad so no one should do it," but...idk

The thing is that i don't feel guilty. If I make someone feel bad or something I'll feel guilty for years. I had a friend who I treated poorly (long story, family trauma related) and I've still felt naturally guilty. But when I cheated on those tests I didn't feel naturally bad. My conscious brain tells me "that's wrong" but my emotional center just doesn't register it. Idk why. Maybe it's how I was brought up.

I know it's not exactly a good marxist way of thinking. But this is my conscious, logical part of me writing this. That instinctual part is just rolling their eyes at me and wondering why I'm taking it so seriously. I'm gonna talk to my therapist about this too.

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (1 children)

i understand u !!!

youve mentioned being brought up w religious family, right? anyway, so did i (actually i had a scrapped comment responding to one of ur comments about it but i digress i’ll focus on this rn) aside from what Commiejones said about how they wouldn’t feel guilty over exploiting the broken schooling system, one way i’ve tried to grow and get better is to stop feeling like any emotional/internal response is the Right One to have, in regards to being a better person.

i do think it’s something i got instilled with at first by religion (catholicism) and i held onto it for a while as well as other moral principles that i later discarded when my faith in absolute ideals began degrading (i told a lie and the earth didn’t swallow me up, and by then i was starting to get a little confused)

more often than not, guilt was something leveraged against me, that i had to spend a lot of time and energy measuring my Sins and feeling bad, being god-fearing, all that. i think that wasn’t good, but i see now how it influenced me and i think this religious leaning to guilt and impurity and self-flagellation has embedded itself in a lot of people.

guilt in and of itself is seen as redemption. to toss and turn over your own sins and feel like a piece of shit is Redemptive, even for those who aren’t explicitly religious, since, well, it is an expression of remorse and a recognition of that, which should, ideally, motivate someone to then improve.

but it’s not really as simple as that, people feel paralysis about self improvement all the time, or seeking forgiveness/mending relationships. and so you get people who act like Bojack Horseman, constantly berating themselves, and none of that energy goes to actually remedying their behaviors, because that self-punishment is Good on its Own, a moral act in and of itself!

it’s much less daunting than, say, truly apologizing to their Herb. it leads to yankees on the net complaining about how they feel sooooooo bad that they have to pay attention to Gaza, it leads to veteran schlock movies whining about the fact that they killed all those people and now feel BADDD!!! dont you get it?? i feel BADDDD!!! now i am a good person, since i felt BADDDDDD!!!!

all that really matters in proving your actual morality is just producing better outcomes, though, rather than thought Crime or thought Purity. thoughts are just shit my little electric sack produces, based on a million stimuli, i no longer feel disgusted that i produced a weird one, that sack just does shit!

anyway, if you are able to rationally take apart what you’re doing, identify what conflicts with your principles, and then act differently, literally nothing else matters aside from the final outcome. so i wouldn’t mentally persecute myself for not doing the ‘good’ thing of self-flagellation, which is something i kept doing back then, which led to my occasional stagnation.

i just think it’s a healthy way to approach guilt and striving to Be a Good Person. i think you’re doing well. i think you don’t need to try to find ways you can feel worse so that you can earn your penance. i think you’ve got it :3!

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 53 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago) (1 children)

like, of course not saying an emotional response is wrong, but like, as long as you Do Something that’s fine. it’s totally fine. and we’re removing this as is from the real world context and reality that like, half the shit we do is not as evil as what the system does, as Commiejones said!!!

i mean, like i might know that i pushed someone’s buttons talking about xyz, i might know i was a dick to my brother. but what if the guilt only pushes me to feel i’m a corrupted, sinful being with no hope for redemption, so i don’t try? in the end, guilt helps many people Feel and Understand a moral burden, and CAN motivate them to act on it. but alone, it’s essentially worthless, apart from being able to convey sincere desire to change in a way that might resonate with people more deeply.

sorry, i will go back and shorten/simplify both of these long comments for any redundancies TT

[–] 6kb_@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 45 minutes ago

i reread the comment and i feel like my two points generally miss the primary issue you’re talking about, so maybe i shouldn’t have said “I understand you!!” first sentence, how silly and embarrassing. but again, it’s a really soothing and, pardon the silliness, healing habit to just rationally take apart What Harm You Even Did from XYZ. if you don’t see anything legitimate, let it go and go about your day. the only example i would legitimately say you should try to mend would be that personal situation with a friend, which you said you DID feel emotional guilt over! but why stress over trying to compel your brain to release Sadness over cheating on a test? who did you hurt? i mean, if it was a test that was like, i’m qualified to give you open heart surgery, and then you were made to do open heart surgery and you killed some guy cuz you actually didn’t, then yeah that would be pretty bad, but you didn’t do all that!

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 11 hours ago

How can something be "wrong" if you aren't harming anyone?

Cheating on tests isn't "wrong." Essentially you are just fabricating a lie and lying to a teacher/school that only cares about you as a commodity to be shipped off as a worker to be exploited by capitalists isn't amoral.

If you harm another working class person you should feel guilty. But morality doesn't apply to the class war. You cannot do anything "wrong" to the ruling class or their institutions. They have been doing wrong to you your whole life anything you do against them is justified self defense and nothing you or I can do would ever reach a fair punishment for their crimes.