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[–] hector@lemmy.today 43 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The establishment is trying to turn this into a russian thing, as that's their go to move. But this was a mossad honeypot, clearly done in conjunction with the CIA, which is a great betrayal of their mission, an executable offense, of treason, or it's facsimile, and carries a death sentence to hear the president talk about it.

The CIA isn't allowed to conduct operations in the country, allowing a foreign intelligence agency to accrue blackmail on politicians, and rich people, and the like, is a great betrayal, I don't know why no one has even dug into this, who was in charge when all of this happened, who authorized this at the CIA? Why are they given a pass?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

The establishment is trying to turn this into a russian thing

There's a lot of evidence that Epstein was in frequent contact with Russians, though there's also evidence that his attempts to establish higher-level contacts weren't successful. His interactions with the Isrraelis seem to have been at a higher level, but Israel's a much smaller state than Russia, so the levels of bureaucracy are probably fewer. There's nothing so far in the files that connects him to US intelligence TLAs, though it's entirely plausible that any such evidence would be removed. Regardless, drawing hard conclusions at this stage about the details of his affiliations to various spooks is circumstantial, at best. Based on what I've been able to learn so far, your conclusion about it being a Mossad honeypot is believable. But we'll see.

which is a great betrayal of their mission, an executable offense

Intelligence agencies often share or trade intel. That's especially true for allies, which Israel nominally is (though I'd say they don't act like one), but it can even happen with agencies of hostile states if they have a common objective. It's not treason unless it's unauthorized disclosure of damaging information to a hostile power. Even then, it's more common to charge such people with espionage.

and carries a death sentence to hear the president talk about it

He's a liar and an idiot.

Another possibility to consider is that Epstein's operation wasn't run by the CIA, but that it was monitored closely by one or another of the many US intelligence agencies, most of which are not forbidden to operate Stateside.

Regardless, I'm inclined to accept the interpretation that the sweetheart deal happened because Epstein had some kind of high-level US government protection. Informant, asset, useful but unknowing source? That part we might never know.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

Who was in charge? This starts back with the OSS and Donald Barr, spanning like more than a half dozen administrations.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This has been going on since the 80s. The Franklin scandal was also CIA and it also went no where.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What was the Franklin Scandal?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

According the Wikipedia, it was all a hoax and you can ignore it.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, move along.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

https://youtu.be/a2lvo38u4ds

The coverup is where things get interesting, starts with a plane crash, several "found shot in the heads", a window, some "suicides", they even wacked an ex CIA director.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Allegedly! Nothing has been proven!

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 2 points 3 days ago

https://youtu.be/a2lvo38u4ds

The title and thumbnail are silly but one must please the algorithm to be seen. Best overview I've seen, skip to the plane crash and the obscene cover up if you aren't interested at first. Maybe put on some slipknot in the background for the end LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR

[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Didn't Obama overturn a law that made it legal for propaganda to be done to Americans on American soil? Smith-Mundt act.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not really. They lifted the ban on the domestic dissemination of materials originating from the State Department.

Other departments and external agencies were, and still are, able to target propaganda at US citizens.

[–] DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So no in theory, yes in practice?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes in theory. Yes in practice.

The error is believing that propaganda against US citizens was ever illegal.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, you can talk about legality and find all sorts of technical restrictions in code.

But who believes any of this shit was enforced?

The closest thing we've had to a government action against US propaganda was Biden's War On TikTok. And that was for the unspeakable crime of mentioning the Gaza Genocide too many times.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would even argue that Fox News is propaganda.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

More importantly. Perfectly legal.

Why be scared of State Department overseas propaganda when you have tucker carlson.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't doubt it, I seem to recall vaguely something along those lines. They never followed those laws preventing domestic operations anyway.

Also, they use the 5 eyes network as an end run around those, they spy on americans, or do operations, and put their allies letterhead on the operation, that then shares the information back with them. Even as it's the us doing the entire thing itself. It's a country run by lawyers, for billionaires.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And now it's all funneled through Palantir and the various other tentacles of the private sector.

The CIA/NSA are just retail customers of privatized surveillance.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

And the courts have given them license to further ignore laws and protections from the government to have contractors do it for them, or use information the private sector was allowed to gather from us, and buy and use it, without warrants or judges or oversight of any kind.

But it also gives these private companies way too much power, merging the private power and money with contacts to government, that make Thiel and his ilk way too powerful, now with all the data broker information plus every bit of data from every federal agency that doge exported to his banks secretly, don't for a second think that's not what this was all about.

They caught them doing it in a couple of instances too, like at the labour department, no one is even trying to defend the country or it's laws this time around everyone gave up in government and business. It's only some of us citizens that are still trying to contest the republic being surrendered to the worst pieces of shit in the country.