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Is this even possible for the midterms? (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 hours ago by snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world

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"With provisional ballots still being counted, Donald Trump claims the GOP held the House and alleges Democratic fraud. While Republican lawyers sue to stop the count, Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel use federal authority to threaten local officials and spread fraud rumors. Despite Democrats leading by slim margins, conservative media amplifies claims of treason.

The situation escalates when Trump claims a county recorder agreed to hand over voting machines to the Department of Homeland Security. Though a judge and Justice Elena Kagan attempt to block the move, Marines seize the machines and ballots. Patel declares the Republican candidates the winners, effectively breaking the chain of custody. Following local protests, Trump invokes the Insurrection Act to declare martial law. Ultimately, House Republicans reject Arizona’s official Democratic certification and seat the GOP candidates instead."

Would Trump throw the election into chaos in order to claim victory.

I think so.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You ignored what I wrote and wandered off on a tangent. No, I'm talking about the actual formal dissolution of the Untied States. States literally seceding from the union. When the federal government starts invalidating elections, that's when you need to be contacting your state representatives formally demanding that your state secede from the union. I am literally talking about second civil war, with the US military breaking apart into opposing sides, just like it did in the first civil war.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Yah I know what you're talking about and I think you're lost in the sauce also, this isn't happening anytime soon. It may happen, but a lot more has to happen beforehand.

You may be confused, I am not saying "everything is going to be okay", in fact what I'm saying is far, far worse which is that, right now if we lost election integrity entirely and the electoral process was supplanted or compromised, we would have a lot of protests, but then nothing would happen. We don't have any organization, we never even got anything from BLM, No Kings or the recent wave of national protests about ICE. Nothing changes until the majority of comfortable Americans start getting uncomfortable enough that they are willing to sacrifice everything, that is when armies start forming, state militias, and rhetoric of secession.

That would be an inevitable consequence of destabilizing democracy, but the big force here is still the biggest force, that the US is a slow turning boat and companies, the corporations who run the country, are not going to accept anything that rapidly hurts their bottom line, so none of this happens over a timespan less than decades.