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[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not that much about choosing a side. Europe has been sleeping on their defences for decaes and should US just pull all their hardware and troops back home tomorrow there's no immediately available replacements on that. And that's a sad state for the whole continent. So it's not about honest opinion but, as everything between countries is, a political question on how badly some countries depend on US defences.

I have no doubt that should US side with Russians it would be widely condemned in global west, but I don't think global south or China really give a damn. But Europe almost as a whole need to get their shit together really fast and so far, even if the movement seems to be into the right direction, it's been really slow to show up any actual results.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree that Europe needs to get its shit together on defense sooner rather than later but the comment I replied to was about spin and the US will not succeed in spinning this as something positive if they help Russia occupy part of Europe.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

US will not succeed in spinning this as something positive if they help Russia occupy part of Europe

On that you're correct. But what they can at least try to do is make Ukraine look bad or difficult/subborn/whatever after rejecting their "peace offer".

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

They can't make Ukraine look any way unless there are idiots who believe Trump's and Putin's lies. And the only people who even pretend to believe them are their shitty quislings in the far-right parties. When Trump and Putin fall, which they will, those parties will dry and and blow away within months.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

It’s not that much about choosing a side.

It is very much about choosing a side. You can either be in favor in rewarding a war of aggression, or opposed to it.

The minimal acceptable outcome from the European perspective is Russia bled dry, economically crushed and gaining nothing.