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One more time: We aren't examining how the average English speaker would interpret this, only the reasons why the priest's answer might change.
This has been interesting. Good luck to you. =)
This was really funny to read.
I don't know if you've ever heard it said, but really argumentative people are sometimes so "smart" and ready to go to bat that they end up suplexing their own IQ into a pit, and actually end up stupider than the average person on some issues.
I don't think sudoer realizes it, but they're arguing against, like, the concept of a seedy car salesman. Or, the tactic of acting sweeter than usual to get your dad to do you a favor. Or I guess just being manipulative in general. It's really bizarre.
I'm not even certain that we even disagree on the fundamental principle, just the details of the example I gave.
No, I think they disagree. Or at least, I don't mind treating them as such.
From sudoer:
This is the basis of the entire argument. What I see them doing is hyperfixating on an alleged flaw as a rhetorical tactic to defeat you.
I want to be clear: the point being made by the A and B versions of the smoker's question is... obvious. It's framing. Framing is a very well understood concept.
When I challenge people on grounds like these, I appear friendly, I make it explicitly known that I agree with the broader point, I offer alternatives that would make the point better, I refrain from damaging the rhetorical momentum (that is, we shouldn't be bickering with each other because, to an audience, we should be a united front), and, I dunno, a fifth thing I'm sure I'll come up with later.
If sudoer doesn't disagree with you, they are still acting in opposition to you, which is 1) inconsiderate, and 2) demonstrates very poor social skills.
Then falsely accusing them of being contradictory and irrational.
Then what kind of speaker are they? Spanish? Mandarin? German?