Jordan Lund is NOT a good human being.
Right, the Gaza Genocide isn't US Politics... Those aren't US made bombs being dropped with US politicians cheering them on and US diplomatic support and denial allowing the Genocide to continue. Nothing could be more salient to US politics than the ways in which the Palestinian Genocide drove us to war.
What a joke.
I feel that this situation unfortunately requires escalation and I will be directly contacting Lemmy World mods, I will update with their response.
For the record the first article about corporate complicity in the Palestinian Genocide includes references to many major US corporations, thus making it drirectly relevant to US politics at an immediate level.
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42581206
The second article about US media's complicity in coverage over the Palestinian Genocide... do I need to actually explain how that is related to US politics? Of course it is?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579919
The third article is relevant because the US and Israel have been intimately interwoven in their escalation of Genocide and breaking of international norms, if a Genocide begins in Lebanon it will be a DIRECT continuation of US politics applied first in Israel and next in Lebanon. I mean what the hell we are fighting a war RIGHT NOW and this is the biggest escalation possible IN THAT WAR. How is that NOT related to US politics?!?!?!?!!!!!???
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42579757
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
The fourth article about there being no ceasefire in Gaza, I don't even know how to go about this one, om, it is politics involving primarily the US here? The US is the single most relevant political actor capable of changing this situation? How is this not US politics? Where can you cleanly draw a line here?
https://sopuli.xyz/post/42630002
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
The US is directly and intimately complicit in the Palestinian Genocide, you cannot in good conscience nor with logical consistency separate US politics cleanly from this issue, if you wanted that to be possible you should have spoken up louder against the Genocide before, now it is too late to fumble with broken stilted arguments like this. The Palestinian Genocide is US Politics, period, end of story.
Can we finally stop pretending that what we have been witnessing in Gaza over the past 22 months is a “war,” a “conflict,” or even a “humanitarian crisis”? Many of the world’s leading human rights and humanitarian groups – including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Doctors Without Borders – agreed months ago that what is being livestreamed to our phones on a daily basis is indeed a genocide.
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Trump’s Republican allies in the House and Senate are even more gung-ho. Forget complicity; Congress is filled with GOP cheerleaders for genocide, from Senators Tom “bounce the rubble in Gaza” Cotton to Lindsey “level the place” Graham. The newest member of the House, Randy Fine, a Republican representative of Florida, has called for the nuking of Gaza and said just days ago that Palestinians in Gaza should “starve away” until the Israeli hostages are all released. (A reminder that incitement to genocide is also a crime under Article III of the Genocide convention.)
But we cannot let Democrats off the hook either. The first 16 months of this mass slaughter unfolded on a Democratic president’s watch. From the get-go, Joe Biden gave Netanyahu and his cabinet of génocidaires everything they needed – 2,000-lb bombs to drop on refugee camps filled with Palestinian children? Check. UN security council vetoes to prevent the passage of resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire? Check. The burial of internal US government reports warning of war crimes and famine in Gaza? Check.
It wasn’t just Biden. The vast majority of Democrats in Congress spent much of 2024 casting vote after vote to keep arming, funding and whitewashing the mass killing of Palestinian civilians. Even now, in the summer of 2025, seven high-profile Democratic senators were happy to take a smiling photo with Netanyahu, including the Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, who claims talk of genocide is antisemitic and says his job “is to keep the left pro-Israel”.
- Mehdi Hasan
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/02/the-us-complicit-genocide-israel-gaza
Insanity of saying the US fueled, funded, and permitted (with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA even going so far as to say he will help Israel "do what they need to do") genocide in Gaza isn't US politics aside, why the fuck would you name your com "politics" and not allow politics from the hundreds of other countries?
Name your damn com US politics then, and maybe learn about the impacts of US foreign policy and recognize that the imperial hegemonic effects of the USs actions actually are US politics.
JFC that's a stupid com.
It honestly hurts my brain and I would be more inclined to laugh about it if it didn't hurt my heart so badly to see discussion of the Palestinian Genocide so clearly silenced by people like Jordan Lund.
You aren't being silenced, you were re-directed to the appropriate community which is !world@lemmy.world , not !politics.
You just banned me from !politics, which would be the definition of silencing?
I temp banned you for three days after you repeatedly failed to follow the clear guidelines I gave you.
When the ban expires, you're welcome to post US Politics articles back in Politics as you did here (excellent post BTW):
https://lemmy.world/post/44253357
If you insist on posting "Israel bad!" to a community specifically for US Politics, you will get banned again.
Israel / Gaza = Goes in !world@lemmy.world
Things actually involving US Politics goes in Politics.
This is why separate communities exist.
Please elaborate on what precisely you mean by "Israel bad!"? Do you mean low effort articles that claim Israel is bad for intellectually lazy reasons? Have I posted those? If so which ones? What evidence do you have of those articles having baseless, sloppy criticisms of the politics at hand here?
How does this make sense? Defend your position as moderator of a community where you exclude Israel/Gaza as a political topic but you do not exclude discussion of any other international issue that has direct, intimate relevance to the US along countless dimensions?
Ok, lets make a bet, how many US made bombs do you think Israel will drop from US trained fighter pilots flying US jets that refueled on US made tanker aircraft on innocent children in the next 3 days while I wait to post political articles about it? 20? 30? I will say 35 as my guess, what do you guess?
Politics is specifically stated to be for US Politics.
Israel bombing a hospital in Gaza is NOT US Politics. Israel is not the United States.
No US Politician told Israel to bomb a hospital. There was no vote in the House or Senate to authorize bombing hospitals.
Yes, what Israel is doing are war crimes, but they are outside the sphere of US Politics.
Israel being a bad actor is welcome in !world@lemmy.world
Unless there is a specific connection to US Political leaders or Policy (as there was in the post that was NOT removed), it doesn't belong in !politics@lemmy.world
I have this same conversation when people post internal US News to World as well. World is a US news free zone. Otherwise it would be "Trump does stupid shit" top to bottom.
So let me get this straight so I can laugh harder at your absurd attempts to rationalize your innate emotional desire not to see reality for how it is, if Israel drops a 2000 pound bomb US made bomb on a children's school in Gaza and kills 15 children, and then US politicians run cover for Israel stopping international agencies that could hold Israel accountable from being able to do so... you don't think that is relevant to US politics?
The US is absolutely instrumental along every dimension in the Palestinian Genocide, material, monetary, political, cultural... in every respect the US is relevant. if you cannot grasp that you should not be moderating a Politics community, period, full stop. Having you in charge of a Politics community is tantamount to having a child run a Liquor store unsupervised, you have no clue what you are doing and frankly it is dangerous.
As a final note, in the interests of shitting on anti-semitism because let me make clear I cannot stand anti-semites they piss the hell out of me, fuck people who lazily blame the consequences of their choices on jews and call it a day... it is necessary to discuss how Israel is a colonial imperialist outpost of the US and reflects many of the same patterns the US has in order to diffuse anti-semitic narratives that Israel's behavior has something to do with being jewish and evil, and not being a vassal state of a colonial empire that can do things the colonial empire can't get away with doing themselves.
If you link to a story showing the US House or Senate voting to cover for Israel (or, heck, voting to sanction Israel), that would, in fact, be US Politics.
US Politicians taking official action regarding Israel is fine for !politics@lemmy.world
Israel committing war crimes in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria goes in !world@lemmy.world
US Politicians volunteering to be Israeli lapdogs like Schumer or Fetterman do repeatedly? Also !politics@lemmy.world
Because, again, US politicians doing political things in the US.
Israel illegally invading Lebanon, AGAIN? !world@lemmy.world That's Israeli political policy, not US political policy.
Not only is the division you are attempting to construct here utterly artificial, it is an artifice that obscures one of the most brutal human rights atrocities in my lifetime.
Shame on you, shame on you for toying with this conversation like it is simply an abstracted conversation about definitions. You know it isn't, don't treat me like I am stupid enough to believe you think it is.
There is a Genocide going on right now, as we speak, and you are participating gleefully in silencing conversation about it. Own it coward.
There is a genocide going on right now, being committed by Israelis, not Americans.
If you want to see the !politics@lemmy.world appropriate war crimes, look to the bombing of the girls school in Iran. US Policy, US personnel. That's 100% allowed in Politics.
If you are incapable of telling the difference between bad actions committed by Israel vs the US, there's no point in a temp ban, I can just permaban you now.
Terminal flag blindness here
Again you expose the desperate need to remove you as a moderator especially over the Politics community because of your shocking ignorance (conscious or subconscious) about this political topic. It is genuinely alarming to me how confidently you are wrong.
https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-condemns-american-mercernaries-caught-on-camera-celebrating-attacks-on-starving-palestinians-in-gaza/
https://www.leftvoice.org/u-s-mercenaries-are-helping-the-idf-murder-starving-people-in-gaza/
https://truthout.org/articles/private-us-company-is-reportedly-hiring-us-veterans-to-run-gaza-checkpoint/
Please review the posts you had removed and explain how these are, in ANY way US Politics:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.
https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/
What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.
https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/
Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
You are correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel.
None of these stories are remotely similar to stories about US mercenaries taking action in Gaza. That's why they were removed from Politics.
What? Did you read the words you just typed?
I mean thank you for spelling out your positions so I can reference them directly, but wow, this is a truly absurd thing to believe as an adult human being and say outloud without going "huh? wait maybe I should think more before I speak".
US Politicians are not directing the media or corporations to take these actions. It is NOT politics.
If you have to get out your red yarn to explain why it is, you lose the argument.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-economy-occupation-economy-genocide-report-special-rapporteur
https://afsc.org/gaza-genocide-companies
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/who-profits-us-corporations-and-the-whitewashing-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/
Again, not a function of US POLITICS.
See !world@lemmy.world
Americans are building the bombs and providing political cover.
They are but in the stories you posted there is no specific link to the US or US Politics.
Here's an example of a good story for !world@lemmy.world (other than it's too old now, World has a 30 day limit):
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-protesters-block-highways-and-set-fires-to-demand-a-ceasefire
Note: No mention of US Policy or US Politicians. Not fit for !politics@lemmy.world
Here's an example of a story that COULD go in !politics@lemmy.world (and I think it was posted, repeatedly).
https://truthout.org/articles/as-trumps-dhs-ravages-us-schumer-says-his-job-is-to-fight-for-aid-to-israel/
No, Chuck, no that is NOT your job. But a US politician taking a policy stance on Israel WOULD go in Politics.
Show me a US politician saying the bombing of the hospital was justified, like the German chancellor:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-865365
So if there were a community for German politics, yeah, that would be appropriate. On point. German politician justifying Israeli war crimes.
But not for a community devoted to US Politics.
Congratulations you found two instances where you can easily point out which community is a better fit for each post, you unfortunately have not provided an explanation for how there is any essential difference between the two, because you can't.
The politics of the US and Israel are intimately and irrevocably connected and the attempt to sell the narrative that they aren't is itself political and is opening up the door to the rightwing in the US jumping on the narrative that "The jews stabbed us in the back!" so the US rightwing can hard right turn deep into anti-semitism and avoid grappling with the way US politics made this eventuality of Genocide and War inevitable, NOT Judaism a religion that vastly predates the Palestinian Genocide and the Iran War.
Do you want that blood on your hands Jordan Lund when rightwing anti-semitism explodes in the US and the US does a version of the "stabbed in the back" fascist story loop? Because that blood is partially on your hands for enforcing the conditions necessary for it to take hold like a wild forest fire grown out of control in a forest that has been allowed no combustion nor no intelligent management.
When an article specifically links US and Israeli policy, it is fit for Politics.
If there is no specific link between the two it goes in World.
I don't see how it can be possibly be clearer than that:
Please review the posts you had removed and explain how these are, in ANY way US Politics:
https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-replicating-its-gaza-war-tactics-lebanon
Any mention of US personnel? Policy? Politicians? No? Goes in World. Not Politics.
https://dawnmena.org/destroying-al-shifa-hospital-robin-andersens-the-complicity-lens-us-media-coverage-of-israels-genocide-in-gaza/
What the US media does or does not do is also NOT politics. Again, appropriate for World, not Politics.
https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/
Similarly, what US corporations do is not Politics. World please.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/there-no-ceasefire-gaza
You are correct, there is no cease fire in Gaza, who is doing the shooting? Israel.
You are wasting time arguing here instead of re-posting to !world@lemmy.world as I repeatedly encouraged you to do.
Man's never heard of the fourth estate
Man's never heard of Citizens United either
Like I'm all in favor of keeping a community on topic, but you're just objectively wrong here. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics
If you're using your own personal redefinition of "politics", you should probably put it in another community, not the one using the definition that everyone else agrees on.
The Fourth Estate specifically refers to the press as being independent of government operations. It's pretty much what the first amendment is about.
So no, an article talking about what the press is doing or failing to do is not necessarily political.
Now, an article talking about, say, Bari Weiss being in the tank for Trump, that would be appropriate for !politics@lemmy.world as there's a direct connection between the news reporting and US Politics.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cbs-bari-weiss-iran-war-trump-b2933098.html
Go back to the article Squirrel had removed and find the political angle in it.
Same thing on the corporate article. Yes, we get it, corporations are bad. What makes it political? Where's the policy or politician directing them? Oh, right, not there. Just corporations being evil. Not politics.
I give you half credit. It refers to being independent, but still wielding political influence: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fourth-estate
So yes, while not necessarily political, I'm glad you can admit there are cases. We're making progress!
~~Found it. Didn't have to read further than the headline.~~ Sorry, I misunderstood your comment and thought you were referring to the one you just linked. (See how easy it is to admit you were wrong?) If you mean this one: https://www.alai.info/en/corporate-participation-and-complicity-in-the-genocide-against-the-palestinian/
Then I would have let it slide as it mostly talks about American companies affecting politics, if being US-related is your requirement.
You're not qualified to be a mod if you can't even read a username.
Bullshit.
LOL Israel isn't the 51st state... yet!
All the benefits, none of the obligations.
I don't think they'd give up their US paid universal health care. 😉
Hi Jordan. Nice to see your imminent death experience prompted you to reflect on some of your opinions and actions.
People hate it when you explain what does or does not go in specific communities. 😂
Then the community should be "US Politics."
Once it's set up, it can't be changed and I didn't set it up.
I agree though, should be US Politics and World Politics, US News and World News.
That way the folks who don't care about the US Death Spiral don't have it inflicted on them.
I TRY to keep that stuff out of !world@lemmy.world but then we go do stupid stuff like Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, Greenland, Canada. (sigh)
The title can be changed, not the path.
It's literally the first line on the sidebar:
Good question, the community was set up before I was brought on board, I can't say why they set it up that way, simply that it is.
Unless the news article specifically points to US policy or political action, it doesn't belong in Politics. This isn't six degrees of separation.
World exists for non-us World news.
Because no US politician or policy authorizes the genocide. That's an Israeli war crime. The US provided funding for legitimate defense, not genocide.
You can see what they THINK they were funding through sites like this:
https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
Now, you and I both know Israel isn't ACTUALLY using the funding for that, but that's on Israel.
As I said in another post, the funding was done in good faith, Israel is using it in bad faith.
No it's on the USA being lying liars. And calling it out should very well be US Politics, and allowed. Unless you know, this is a psyop server.
When US politicians get caught lying that's absolutely fair game for !politics@lemmy.world and it's a delight every time!
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/26/politics/george-santos-admits-embellishing-resume
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/11/portland-national-guard-trump-lies-doj.html
https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/05/did-trump-just-get-caught-in-another-massive-lie-appears-so.html