World News
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
view the rest of the comments
The news report on this and some say that allegedly he threatened the officers with tear gas or a knife, but even if he did, in no way is shooting someone justified in this situation. Ever. His skin definitely played a role in this since racist and right-wing police in Germany is nothing new
Incorrect, according to German legislation, weapons may be used to protect life and prevent harm. Courts have recurrently ruled that an attacker with a knife approaching the police or innocent bystanders are considered beyond stoppable if they are in immediate reach of a potential victim (which has been said to be in a range of 6 meters and below).
What needs to be established now is whether the cop used unnecessary lethal force, since the guy has been hit 4 times (3 direct hits, once grazed), and at least one shot was from behind.
Have to disagree with you here: If threatened with a stick, police have to pull out a bigger stick to do their job.
If a person starts a fist fight, the baton is the proper method to a) defend yourself and b) gain an advantage over the attacker. If the person then pulls a knife, the baton loses its advantage and a new tool is needed to regain it.
The issue in this case is not the choice of the tool for the job: Pulling the gun on someone attacking others with a knife. The issue is the attacker was shot in the back, which raises the question if he was still a threat.
Little fun fact: The vests regular police are wearing in Germany (at least in the southwest where I live) are bulletproof against small arms fire, but not stab proof. So "just tackle him and take it on the armour" is not an option.
Do cops in Germany not have Pepper Spray? Do they not have tazers? It seems like there were plenty of options to deal with the threat at hand without killing them. But the cop decided to take the US approach of shoot first ask questions later.
I am not sure how pepper spray is supposed to stop someone from wildly slashing around.
Been many times proven to be unreliable: Highly depends on what the attacker is wearing or which mental state he is in.
Guess we should task you with the investigation, since you appear to know a lot more than the rest of us.
Blinding someone takes out a lot of their capabilities. It's hard to hit a target you can't see. And the vast majority of people with pepper spray in their eyes are going to grab at their eyes first from the pain/discomfort. I'm surprised I have to point this out.
The vast majority of people tend to tense up when tazed. Some people handle it better than others, but most people are getting stopped by a tazer. And again, pepper spray is another option if the tazer failed. The gun should have only been a last resort if no other options worked and the suspect was still trying to stab someone.
They literally shot the man in the back three times, but K.
You see a pattern there? I'm not sure whether I am comfortable with "in the vast majority of cases, I was not murderer by a guy charging at me with a knife".
And that implies what exactly? Could have been running away, maybe. Could have turned on someone else, also possible. We do not know. Which is the whole point of the investigation, which according to you is a close and shut case. For all we know, police could have used all of those things, and we just focus on the fact that he was killed in the end.
There are clear cases of police brutality and violations of citizen rights in Germany. A guy throwing tear gas and wielding a knife simply has a high probability of not being one of them.
The lack of it being mentioned by the police is a good reason to believe that Tazers and Pepper Spray were not used. Otherwise they would have lead with that when talking about this case. On top of that, the officer in question shot this man in the back. Three times. And I'm supposed to believe that all non-lethal means to stop this man were exhausted? I highly doubt it.
And just because a person does wrong and deserves punishment does not mean they deserve to be murdered by the state. This person had the potential to be dangerous. That doesn't mean that he gets an automatic death sentence because some cop decided so. And I'd very much argue unloading a gun in a population center is far more dangerous then any agitated man with a knife.
I may not have been there personally, but you weren't either. As far as I'm concerned, it's just as valid to be critical of the police in question as I have been. After all: you've been doing essentially the exact same thing by defending the police's actions without any evidence that they exhausted all other non-lethal means.
No, you have been arguing that this is a case of police brutality simply off of the fact that the person was shot in the back. I have been arguing that this situation is not as black and white as you suggest due to various possible circumstances.
Your whole choice of words just shows, that you have already made up your mind despite, as you said yourself, not being there.
Feel free to lie to yourself all you want. I'm done here.
You did see in the article where it says the guy was shot from behind right? Cuz it kind of kills all your little scenarios you're coming up with here.
Also I assume the vests do not protect your neck, which is where a close range knife wound can quickly become fatal.
This is not the US. And in contrast to the US, where such a shooting would barely make it to the local weekly paper, this is so outrageous for Germany that this is a topic for the national TV news for at least two days.
And: an American policeman would most likely get out of this unscarred, chances for the German policeman to continue in this job are rather dim.