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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (12 children)
[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1993-2000/oslo

Here's President Clinton establishing the Oslo accords helping Gaza exist as a recognized nation in peace with Israel. Specifically,

Israel accepted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinians, and the PLO renounced terrorism and recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace. Both sides agreed that a Palestinian Authority (PA) would be established and assume governing responsibilities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period. Then, permanent status talks on the issues of borders, refugees, and Jerusalem would be held. While President Bill Clinton’s administration played a limited role in bringing the Oslo Accord into being, it would invest vast amounts of time and resources in order to help Israel and the Palestinians implement the agreement.

Just making sure you're aware that voting helped establish Gaza's existence.

And voting is also is the reason it could have been saved from genocide.

Trump was supposed to save Gaza according to large portions of people here on Lemmy that told me voting for Kamala would be voting for genocide in 2024.

Now we live in a world where the actual truth is much more obvious - that Kamala would have obviously protected Gaza more than Trump. (Simply because she's not politically compromised by Israel the same way Trump is).

So now you want to tell me voting doesn't work to prevent genocide. Despite the current outcome being very clearly AVOIDABLE through voting. Just that option wasn't taken - largely through the encouragement of many here on Lemmy to not vote for Kamala.

If more people didn't vote for Trump the genocide wouldn't have happened. Period. That is just not the outcome we have now. That doesn't mean voting failed. It means most people failed to vote for the person who could have stopped it.

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

that Kamala would have obviously protected Gaza more than Trump

lmao you guys don't actually believe this right? "Obviously once she was in office she would have done a 180, she was secretly anti-genocide the entire time". Want to go take a look and see how many of the fatalities of the genocide happened under the biden/harris admin?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

It's grading on a curve.

Biden/Harris were weak on Israel, barely managing to occasionally wag a finger at them for misbehavior, but continuing to provide some support to Israel. This was bad.

Trump's admin has been all in on it and has been ride or die for everything Netanyahu wants. This is even worse.

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