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Which never actually happened like ever. We just want to be who we are. There’s no movement to make everyone gay, that’s insane to even think that.

Hey I'm not saying I believe that narrative! I've got LGBT friends too.

I'm just saying that this is the picture they want to paint of "liberalism", and as such, the word "liberal" has changed meaning quite a bit. To most people near me it no longer has anything to do with liberal economics, it's about being socially progressive.

And I'm kicking up a fuss (not at you, but in general in this thread) because the article is clearly talking about repressing different people when it says "illiberalism" - because that's literally what Orban and Putin use that term for - and people are saying liberalism is bad and it should die - meaning either liberal economics, or liberal democracy (lots of anti-election types here who prefer single party rule)

Same as the republicans getting their knickers in a knot over trans athletes. Which are few and far between and aren’t actually that successful because HRT makes you a lot weaker if you are MtF. It’s just an imaginary issue.

Hmm well I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. I'm sorta opposed to trans people of either variety playing in women's sports on a competitive level (playing for fun is entirely different and nobody should give any fucks about who plays with who). FtM gives you testosterone which is a huge advantage and I don't think a single FtM person wants to play in a women's league anyway. MtF does make you a lot weaker like you said, but then who is regulating the estrogen intake to make sure you're weaker enough that you're a woman? Who defines the estrogen or testostrone levels of a woman? If someone REALLY wanted to be malicious, they could take like half of their prescribed estrogen and retain more strength I reckon. Would have a similar effect compared to a cis woman taking test. It's just a can of worms that's not worth opening, it's too difficult to regulate properly to ensure complete fairness. I could see there being separate MtF leagues with regulation about test and/or estrogen levels if there's enough demand though.

But also, the fury about trans athletes beating up cis women in combat sports was, if I remember correctly, actually cis women who were born with slightly higher T and thus manlier features. MtF women in sports are basically a non-issue already.

Same as the toilet thing they get all worked up about. The men molesting women are cis men.

I've literally never heard of it happening either (trans women molesting cis women, that is). I suppose it's not technically impossible, but I don't see anyone going through HRT just to get into the women's bathroom. That person would have to have serious mental issues to the point that being trans is the least of anyone's worries there.

You could say this about almost any Eastern Europe government.

All Eastern European right wing parties for sure. Not all are in power right now though.

Also, this Hungarian party doesn’t precisely advertise itself as super LGBTQ friendly, they advertise themselves as apolitical centrists, which tends to maintain status quo

Possible. Going off the vibes of what Magyar has said and the fact that it's a huge party that consists of people of fairly different political opinions, I'd say that it's entirely likely that they at least won't take any further steps to take away people's rights.

I’d gladly be proven wrong, though!

I wouldn't hold my breath, but it would be lovely.

I see this as a chance for normalization in Hungarian society more than anything. Right now the options were "Orban gets majority" or "Orban loses". Orban lost. If Magyar goes through with his promises, the electoral system in Hungary might see some reform and perhaps in the next election, or the one after that, there will be more hope for more liberal (or progressive if you disagree with me on the change in the usage of the term liberal that plagues this part of the world, which we've sorta imported from the US) parties.

But only time will tell.

Edit: Have read comments elsewhere that he's actually moderately pro LGBT rights, but has maintained radio silence on the issue for political reasons. I could see that being wise in Hungary, as it seems there's a sizable anti-LGBT population and a sizable apathetic population, but not a huge pro-LGBT population apparently?