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Biden officials vent frustrations in dealing with Netanyahu, decry missed chance of Saudi deal
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they're not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
I love you ignored the part of it being a genocide which is why I linked it.
And ignored the part of reading the article about how Biden refused to stop the genocide.
Now your argument is somehow rebuilding Palestinian land and doing peacekeeping, which again was something the us under Biden vetoed at the un
The US also proposed ceasefires to the UN which were also Vetoed by China.
1 which wasn't an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/
And
I'm sure Russia and China are real worried about those people. /s
Excellent rebuttal to refute evidence showing Biden did anything to stop the genocide.
10/10
You're the one defending their veto while condemning others.
Explaining the one they did that you claim is only thing that prevented biden from acting
Still haven't shown anything that resolves biden of supporting the genocide
If anything my argument is that Biden was somewhat inactive on the issue while you're arguing that Biden actively participated in the atrocities.
Because he was actively supporting Israeli actions and leaders...
Yes Michael Herzog, pro-genocide Israeli. You're throwing that name in as if it's a trustworthy source. Israel doesn't want us to trust the democrats, Israel favors the Republicans like Trump.
Which is why its so sad Biden bent over backwards for them.
That sentiment is exactly what Israel, Republicans, and adversary nations wants you to believe.
Want us to believe what?
That. That is exactly the lie that they've fed you.
I see no evidence will change your idea that Biden was a hero would could do wrong.
If you think he did anything to stop Israel i got a bridge to sell you
It's kind of like me explaining Fuscia is closer to red than blue and you're having an argument about how orange isn't green.
More like its raining out but youre trying to argue it isn't.
Or the politicians/rich people in Look Up.
Dude, you know you've lost the plot when you're resorting to deflecting and whataboutism.
When you have to start your argument with a fucking Merriam Webster definition, you should realize that your argument is shit. (This is of course the royal "you")
Clearly my good faith discussion was wasted on you and Gofer.
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you'll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer's point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that's not good faith discussion. If anything it's the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
Gofer presented an article. I continued the discussion presented to me. If you don't want your statement to include the entirety of an article, then maybe just quote a piece of it and use the article as citation.
Sigh why do I even bother? Say hello to the concentration camps for me.
My favorite part is this all they can do is repeat already disproven talking points.
That's the problem when they focus on the aesthetics and 'optics' over the truth.
The evidence is overwhelming and has been for well over a year, from reports by international human rights organizations to polls on support for the weapon embargo
Yeah but optics and vibes are all they have :/