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I often see these words used interchangeably, though as I understand it there is a difference between the two ideologies, no?

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (58 children)

A socialist society lacks private ownership of the means of production (the things that make society functional), the opposite being social ownership. You can still start a business and make money, but wealth is shared among the workers rather than being hoarded by a single private entity at the top (think co-op)

A communist society is much stricter, lacking private property and social classes. The state owns everything and allocates it based on need

Just for comparison, a capitalist society like the one we (unfortunately) live in is a rat race. Wealth goes to whoever can exploit the system the most, which is usually whoever has the most money to start. It is the Ultimate Deathmatch of society.

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (11 children)

This makes sense, thanks for explaining. A follow up question: how is “democratic socialism” a form of socialism then? Because it doesn’t really sound like socialism. It sounds like capitalism with some wealth redistribution

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Like with all things, it's a matter of degree. Democracy and socialism are not inherently incompatible, but can be mixed together at different ratios. For example, a democratic socialist society could follow in the Swiss model of direct democracy, meaning everyone has a say in the policy decisions. Such policy decisions include the law but also how to utilize the means of production, which the state owns entirely.

Whereas another democratic socialist society could realize their democracy through a representative model, where citizens elect a local representative that goes to the capital and votes in a state committee on how to amend the law or utilize the means of production, which the state owns entirely. Here, political power is wielded by a committee but the complete socialist ownership is intact.

Yet another democratic socialist society could be much softer on the state ownership of all the means of production. The state might own the utilities, roads, schools, and all land, but may permit certain collectives to privately own businesses that generate value and to distribute those earnings equally amongst themselves. This could be considered a transitional step, since it allows for a controlled amount of capitalist-style development to occur, while avoiding huge concentrations of private capital. But it could also be a step backwards if the state already fully-owned the means of production but then voted to release some of it to small co-ops.

While words have to mean something to be useful at all, I wouldn't spend too much time trying to fit all possibilities into neat categories. Ultimately, socioeconomics are fluid.

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For example, a democratic socialist society could follow in the Swiss

Is Switzerland a direct democracy?

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_referendums_in_Switzerland

Switzerland is also a rarity where there isn't quite a separate head of state (eg UK Monarch, German President) but also the head of government role is done by a council of seven, where the majority decision is what happens. So the legislative body writes the law and the council of seven is tasked with executive power to carry out the law.

The modern Swiss constitution (1848) took inspiration from the American constitution (1789), but rather than a consolidated head of state/government like the American President, they wanted to hew even closer to the long-standing ideals of democracy amongst the Cantons, to also avoid concentrating too much power to individuals. Thus, even though the Swiss Federal Council rotates the title of president every year in turn, it confers zero extra powers.

[–] a_gee_dizzle@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

That’s super interesting. I like that model of governance, seems much more stable the the alternatives

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