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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is what happens when your worldbuilding is done by someone with no head for systems analysis. Political systems and magic systems use the same skills to understand.

That's why I hate apolitical stories. The writers are usually bad at worldbuilding too.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

…and then your fun, completely apolitical story has stuff like "one of the main characters tries to end slavery and is ridiculed by the narrative for it"

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And don't worry, if some of your readers are so strongly anti-slavery that they think the book is ridiculing the characters ridiculing the anti-slavery character, you can host a guest post on your blog explaining that it's supposed to be pro-slavery and anyone getting any other message is wrong.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like that isn’t a hypothetical…?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't a hypothetical thread. Rowling's Pottermore blog had this post https://web.archive.org/web/20170929062836/https://www.pottermore.com/features/to-spew-or-not-to-spew-hermione-granger-and-the-pitfalls-of-activism (which has since been removed, but only after it had been up for years) full of slavery apologia and with the premise that whether or not slavery is bad, Hermione's actions to try and stop it (which amounted to asking people to stop having slaves) were worse.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah figured it wasn’t hypothetical, but holy fuck people… do they not realize that all you have to do is change “elf” to “black people” and those are literally the same arguments used for slavery and how wrong that was….

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it gets worse when combined with Rowling's later comments that she'd always imagined Hermione was black.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

“Imagined” yet after all the book art and movie she never bothered to correct anyone? I smell some retconning BS there.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

if you read potter assuming the narrator is not only unreliable but also sleep-deprived and slightly drunk, in makes a lot more sense. it also makes rowling's unhinged lore additions from twitter, like how wizards just used to shit on the floor until plumbing came along, slot in nicely with established facts, like how a hundreds-of-years old building would have a huge network of secret tunnels in the bathrooms. it goes from incongruous to "whos- who's telling thiss story, you or me? shhhutup."

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People love HP so much, and i kind of get it, but on the other hand it's so shit. The whole game of quidditch is the dumbest thing i have ever seen. People like HP so much that they play that absolute nonsense game IRL. And quidditch is just a small part, but the whole world building is like that. Nothing is really clever or well thought out. Tge worst offender imo is goblet of fire. They have these dangerous ass trials for children, fine. They keep saying how dangerous it was. They fight dragons, they put children under water, guarded by mean ass mermaids. One of them almost drowned, and only didn't because Harry broke the rules. At the end of the whole thing, cedric died and everyone was devastated and shocked that a kid would die. Like motherfucker that's the whole point.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I actually used to be on My university's quidditch team. Although since Rowling went mold to the walls on the transphobia, it's called Quadball. Quadball is really fun because the team roles are asymmetric in a way you don't get with most other sports. You usually only see that strict delineation of capabilities in video games. I was a beater, My job was to hit the enemy team with dodgeballs.

The best part of Harry Potter to make fun of, though, is the severed slave heads dressed in Santa hats and beards

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Do you ride around on fake brooms? Because that's pretty cringe

Edit: Lol at people being butthurt about this. Try reading a book that isn't written for children, I think you might be pleasantly surprised.

[–] stray@pawb.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How is that any more or less cringe than any other ball sport?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Adults pretending to fly on brooms to emulate characters from a fictional sport in a (shitty) children's novel? How is that even close to the same thing?

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

But that's not what is being done? It's a separate sport divorced from the source material now

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Right, that's why I asked if they pretended to ride around on brooms and every reply I got implied that yes, they do

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't American football as asymmetric? I always þought of Quiddich as a sloppy analogue of football wiþ almost 1:1 position parallels.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes it is. It's why it's so popular in highschool. There is a role for most body types.

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's why it's so popular in highschool.

Citation needed.

I'm not arguing it doesn't affect popularity, just that i don't think it's the main reason for the love, or really even in the top three.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -1 points 1 week ago

Soccer is more uniform, yes? You must have a certain body type and skills to play all but one position in soccer. Same wiþ basketball. Baseball has more variability; look at Babe Ruth.

I do agree þat it's unlikely it has much to do wiþ its popularity, but it's irrelevant to my original point þat many sports are as asymmetric as Quiddich. Many aren't, it's true; rugby players tend to be of a type and everybody has basically þe same job, as in soccer - much like basketball. But asymmetry in team sports is not uncommon.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i mean, they're never apolitical, the only difference is whether the author understands the points they're making.

like that andy weir interview where he says "there are no politics in my books". i was completely taken aback by that because his stories are so political and they're researched politics. they are big allegories that make salient points. but he's not written them that way. it's completely by accident, or so he believes.

[–] white_nrdy@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I heard that and assumed he was lying so as to try to not alienate people on the other side.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that would require him to realize that he was indeed speaking to "the other side". i don't think he did.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's impossible to know. One thing I love about sci-fi is that it let's you tell a story that interrogates people's beliefs without them realizing it until later. They don't talk about racism, they talk about aliens, for example. If you tell people that you're saying their beliefs are wrong, they're not going to listen to you. If you tell them it isn't political, they may engage with it an accidentally absorb the message.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

tell a story that interrogates people’s beliefs without them realizing it until later.

The term for this, at least as it pertains to science fiction, is "cognitive estrangement".

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i mean artemis explicitly has a black female muslim protagonist, which he got a lot of flak for since identity is political for some people. project hail mary is about the whole world banding together to fight catastrophic climate change. for him to have written those things, and then tell a right-winger in an interview that his books are nonpolitical while nutrek is too political, to me can only be ignorance.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Artemis also has the premise that stripping away all the safety regulation that a rich country would add to its space program would make a poorer country able to rapidly develop a superior space program and become a rich country with nothing at all going wrong except the one time

spoilerthe protagonist accidentally chloroforms everyone
when it all works out fine in the end anyway because of ignoring the few rules that they did have. It's not a stretch to say that it promotes elements of Objectivism, although it's a lot more pro-state than Ayn Rand was.