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I believe in free will. To me it is expressed in that given the same circumstances different individuals will behave differently. Now you can get into everything about that individual that leads to the decisions they make like genetics and experience but to me its a bit chicken and egg in that you are descibing who the individual is. I think that up to the point a decision is made it could be made in any way. Maybe much more likely to be one ove another but individuals make decisions that they themselves would never have prediced they would make. I believe the univers is created by decisions that constantly happen. The present actuating a new present from possible futures. This is why morally I think we define ourselves by our choices. We are what we chose to be every second of every day. We cab massively change who we are with our choices but it won't remove the previous choices and that change will be limited by that.
There is one of those motivational stories that goes something like this:
two twin brothers that grew up together with the same upbringing, have lead vastly different lives, one become a wife beater and acholoic with no job like his father and another become a successful man. Its meant to show that people can choose their future despite where they came from.
But, the difference between the twins had to have been caused by something, otherwise there is no free will, but if it was caused by something, then it was something outside their control, and your back at square one.
Free will is a paradoxical concept, it necessities that there is some mysterious force inside people's mind that we can never see or explain that guides their decisions, that is influence but not directly effect by the environment.
Most of my decisions I never predicted even with my current believe. But I can explain and see where most of my actions came from.
Not being able to see the future 100% isn't prove that free will exist. I have been baffled some of choice of people around, sometimes for good and sometimes for bad.
A person has no more free will than a rock because both are governed by the most important rule of the universe, cause and effect.
Of course none of this is important really, like I said I still go through like there is still is free will. It just all interesting to think about
see to me this is conflating free will with being. You made your decision because of who you are. You got chocalate ice cream because you like chocolate ice cream. You stay out of the sun because your fair skinned. Sometimes though people feel like a change and don't choose their favorite and want to try something or are to engaged with something and get a sunburn. Its basically saying because choices made are influenced by who you are you have no free will. I sometimes use the term effective free will but honestly to me its kinda a back and forth. The person you are come from the decisions you make and decisions you make are influneced by the person you are. Everyone has experiences with decisions that could have went the other way. To me the fact we make the decisions is free will. Even if there are reasons and events behind them. We made the choice and the choice could have been different.