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Most noteworthy for me is the fact that more Americans think that porn (52%) and homosexuality (39%) are wrong than spanking children (23%) and being ultra wealthy (18%).

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https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2026/03/19/what-do-americans-consider-immoral/

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Even if we overthrew capitalism, either we would have to keep factory farms going or we’d need a drastic reduction in meat consumption. Because they don’t just do cruelty for shits and giggles, they do it because it’s efficient.

You're the one making the false dichotomy between "keep factory farms" and "going vegan". There is in fact a middle ground you are ignoring.

Yes, they do it because it is efficient for making obscene profits for the owning class. Once the working class has control of production we will no longer be constrained by arbitrary concerns about efficiency for the sake of producing obscene profits. We overthrow capitalism and change our methods of production away from factory farming to more ethical and sustainable models because we will then have the control and authority to do so. Ecological science proves that this is entirely possible. We simply do not currently employ these practices because of the interests of capitalists blocking their accessibility through their control over our societal structures and the means of production.

Please, for the sake of our collective future, read theory.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Once the working class has control of production we will no longer be constrained by arbitrary concerns about efficiency for the sake of producing obscene profits.

That's not how any of this works. Remove money from the equation: factory farms produce more meat per labor hours. If you're not reducing meat consumption, then you're calling for a massive increase in the amount of farm labor.

We overthrow capitalism and change our methods of production away from factory farming to more ethical and sustainable models because we will then have the control and authority to do so.

How? You gonna force people to work on these farms? How are you gonna get that labor?

We simply do not currently employ these practices because of the interests of capitalists blocking their accessibility through their control over our societal structures and the means of production.

I think you don't understand what the word "efficiency" means.

Please, for the sake of our collective future, read theory.

I do. What theory is it that will provide me with a convincing argument for why it's actually perfectly fine for me to buy chocolate harvested with child labor? Be specific.

Atlas Shrugged?

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just because a demand exists doesn't mean we need to fulfill that demand

Yes, it is the most efficient per man hour it isn't the only method available that can fulfill our needs while also being ethical and sustainable. Once we, the working class, control the means of production, we can choose scientifically proven alternatives that are both sustainable and ethically while also providing more than enough to meet our needs because we now have the authority and control over our means

How will I get people to work on farms? I don't need to convince them. Those who want to work on farms will labor to do so because they know we need food and, if we want a functional society at all, other people also need food so they will labor as needed to produce that food along with others in their community who willingly choose to labor so in ways that meet their needs while also being ethical and sustainable in their methods because they have the authority and control over the means of production to be able to do so with nothing incentivizing them to needlessly over produce. Remove money from the equation and we are no longer burdened by the interests of profit that necessitates the need for unsustainable production.

That's basic anarchist theory. Read Kropotkin.

And to your strawman argument:

Do people want chocolate? Yes. Has chocolate been produced and resources consumed for its production? Yes. Does the person in question have access to ethically produced chocolate? We don't know their individual circumstances so the benefit of the doubt will say no for sake of argument. Does not buying the chocolate change the fact that a child labored for its production? No, it just means they don't get chocolate while the chocolate and resources/labor goes to waste and the shrink is written off through taxes and insurance. The capitalist still wins and you've done nothing to change things. Congratulations.

If your argument ever is necessitated with "if only everyone suddenly just stopped doing X" your argument is shortsighted and lacking in effective praxis and just an attempt to gain an arbitrary feeling of moral superiority to boost your own ego in the fact that others aren't choosing to behave exactly the way you do. It's reductive and counterproductive trying to shame people over insignificant, miniscule personal choices in how they find what little enjoyment they can in this dystopian, capitalist society they have no individual power to change.

No. I don't have to be specific for the argument that I am making. Your lame attempt to appeal to specificities is just you trying to avoid engaging with the point by attempting to dictate the scope of my argument so you can pick apart the vagaries of how specific my hypothetical would be to make my argument fit your narrow, arbitrarily defined requirements. So quit making up strawmen and try having a class based analysis over the systems that dictate the circumstances in which situations take place in. If you'd actually read theory, you know how to.

I'm done talking with someone who clearly doesn't understand shit. If you have read theory you didn't understand it.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ. Actually justifying buying products with child labor. No wonder anarchism is so popular with Western "leftists."

Just because a demand exists doesn’t mean we need to fulfill that demand

So then, much less meat gets produced, which means much less meat gets consumed, which means, people will have to make major changes to their dietary habits. And given the unlikeliness of convincing everyone of cutting out the vast majority of meat from their diets, those of us who actually understand that situation should probably just cut it out entirely.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck off simpleton.

You don't understand jack shit and it's readily apparent.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Lol.

If only I read theory, I'd understand how much the children yearn for the mines.

What incredibly self-serving bullshit. The fact that you call yourself a leftist disgusts me. You're a consumer and nothing more. Everything else is just to justify your habits.