Video discussion of this event by Steve Shives (known for his star trek videos but also does politics) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMQAv-JYpk
this post was submitted on 12 May 2026
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What a fucking fall from grace. I used to (possibly wrongly) believe he was a very intelligent man but the more he opens his mouth the more convinced I get that he is an absolute moron.
We need to stop imagining that being an expert in on practice or discipline means you have even the slightest utility outside your area of interest. We are constantly inviting "experts" to babble outside their area of expertise only to be shocked when they say something stupid.
I firmly believe the only reason we still (at least kinda) respect Hitch was because he's fucking dead, and we didn't see him show his whole ass like the rest of the "new atheism" movement....
His support for invading Iraq was pretty bad.
Christopher "Fuck it man, waterboarding is nothing, do it to me brah, oh no, it actually does feel like I'm drowning, oh well, I guess the propaganda damage I did is irreversible, I guess I shouldn't have been such a cocksure arsehole" Hitchens?
That one ?
At least he put his damp cloth where his mouth was. And then conceded he was categorically incorrect and it was absolutely torture. I disagree with a lot of his takes (Iraq war was justified?) but that one I actually respect him for
yeah, it's more that he put in shitloads of effort into doing damage, and then not doing much to reverse it; but you're completely right that at least he fucking went through with it
Hitchens is considered as one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism. He laid the ground work for shit heads like jordan peterson. I have no respect for him either, I believe you are right he just died before everyone figured out he was an asshole too.
I mean, his support of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq was pretty controversial towards the end of his life. I think many gave him a "pass" on that due to his illness at the time. But I do recall some starting to question even then, his inconsistency of "religious wars bad, unless it's against religions I don't like" (at least that's how it came across).
I mean, "theocracy bad" is a fairly normal secular POV to have; it's just that some of these things go out of hand and turn into quagmires. The problem is that invading a foreign country hardly leads to establishment of long term stability and the desire of the invadees.
Yeah, like when he stopped talking about evolutionary biology and started talking about how awful islamic people are, right?
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right?
That's at least one bullet point in a very long list.
I mean I got more, it's just the first that came to mind.
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My fellow Earthicans, as I discuss in my book "Earth in the Balance," and the much more popular "Harry Potter and the Balance of Earth," we need to defend our planet against pollution. As well as dark wizards.He didn't get enough attention when he published the subtler book so he had to act out to get attention
"religion in general" imo is an understandable target
to write a book about? sure. to "defend our planet againt"? that's a bit of an overstatement
a lot of awful things happen just today (not to mention historically) because of religion, tbf to be more precise, due to religious justifications
sure, and in 1958 they started killing all the sparrows in china and 15 million+ people starved to death. It's not ~~religion~~ atheism that caused that one; turns out that people fuck up whatever they want to and blame it on whatever; it doesn't mean the thing they are blaming caused the thing that happened
They didn't say all bad things happened because of religion. Your example has nothing to do with religion at all, it was pure human stupidity, but when religious people do pure evil with the only justification being "because my religion says so", you can't not attribute it to religion if you want to be honest.
so when a schizophrenic kills a busfull of orphans and says Jesus told him to do it, the pope is to blame?
Do you think all religious wars were done and are done exclusively by schizophrenics?
yeah. all my religion wants people to do is eat good food and throw cookouts (preferably by the sea) where you invite the whole neighborhood AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART DON'T GIVE THEM FOOD POISONING we already had cults do food poisoning around here and i want to try something original.
we could probably do better by going vegan but my diet really doesn't work with that and it's my cult and i'm gonna be selfish about one thing.
Rajneesheen't
They correctly answered the easiest question in the universe, but because it wasn't very popular thing to do we collectively decided that they're smart af.
I stupidly believed Bill Maher was credible at one point.
Unfortunatly that was more or less what got my attention. He said "jesus bad" and thats all my dumb adolescent brain needed to hear.