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Armchair Revolutionists are the worst kind of armchair types to confront online and anywhere.
Try asking them about the aftermath if this theoretical revolution were to be successful. They almost always don't have one, because they do not think that far. They just think that if we go around destroying everything and killing off those involved, the world will be a better place. No we wouldn't, not if we don't have a process or a plan in how to go about it.
But that's too big of a concept for them to think about, so they just stir idealistically in how things should be ran and those who don't agree are just part of the problem. They're honestly sounding like micro-dictator versions of themselves if you listen to them long enough, which is ironic in of itself.
Ugh yeah, also this.
I've encountered a truly depressing amount of self proclaimed 'anarchists' who've gone on and fucking on about how if they could just organise their own paramilitaries and forcibly take over the governments to impose 'totally not fascist, we're the good guys!' mandatory regimes of wealth and resource redistribution on the public, they could really fix everything...
And the worst part is that I get it, I was also once a naive and optimistic teenager who read Marx and thought that if I could just explain things to people the right way they'd get it too, and we could fix everything wrong with the world together because most people were fundamentally good and would want to make the world better, if I could just get them to understand Marxist theory...
Lmao, it was fucking soul crushing realising that's not actually how anything works.
At least back then I wasn't on about paramilitaty takeovers and 'anarchism' though, like I get why more people are armchair revolutionary-ing to those extremes now but that's just so much more fucking stupid than believing people are 'mostly good and should read Marx'.
I try not to interract with these types of people any more, I just wish I could stop seeing them pop up so often.
They mix up cause and effect. They think the system is making people shitty, but it's people making the system shitty.
Yes. Any system, ANY system that gets put in place will have to contend with human shittiness. The American Founding Father's tried to split the power 3 ways tri-force style to try and prevent any serious abuses from happening, and yet they are still happening.
No matter what system you devise, these fucking sociopaths will never stop trying to break it for their own personal gain.
Isn't that why the Occupy protests never really went anywhere? There was no plan for afterward.
Occupy made a number of bad decisions that doomed the movement, not least of which is that they made it about literally occupying a specific place, which made most people feel like they couldn't be part of the movement.
There was no plan period, other than just sit there and basically be handled by the authorities. All it did was make a buzz in the media, who totally screwed around as the media does, by twisting around what the purpose was and manufacturing their own perspectives about it. And was largely forgotten about in weeks.
Any Occupy protests would've spoken a lot louder, if there had been a plan for it and if there had been a loud voice behind it about why those protests were happening. Not just mostly being quiet about it. That's why they failed.
Yeah I was one of those people. I still kinda am. But I agree with your sentiment. The biggest risk of turning things violent is that there's more likely a chance for an authoritarian system to emerge than a truly egalitarian socialist one.
So I've decided that the best thing is to try to figure out ways to develop alternative stuff to market systems. Grow your own vegetables. Host your own cloud storage/streaming service. Try to contribute to ongoing projects in your community to help realize that(volunteer at free clinics, food pantries) and try to join an organization.