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The API Tooling Crisis: Why developers are abandoning Postman and its clones? (efp.asia)

submitted 4 days ago by dhruv3006@lemmy.world to c/programming@programming.dev

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (4 children)

https://justuse.org/curl/

So much work and investigation into a tool that is a front end for something already on your system.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That does not really work for DX... Or collaboration. Or testing. Or documentation.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Na, that is you not reading the Frequently Asked Dumb Questions

Q: What about team collaboration?

A: It's a text file. Put it in Git. You know, that thing you should be using anyway? Now your requests have version control, code review, and diffs. For free. Revolutionary, I know.

Q: But Postman has testing and automation!

A: So does cURL in a shell script with || and && and actual programming languages. You want assertions? Pipe to grep or write a 3-line Python script. Done.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

Lol, I know absolutely nothing about Postman but seriously suggesting Bash scripts, curl and grep as a way to test APIs is a nice way to tell people not to bother listening to your worthless opinions!

A Python script is far more reasonable.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Soooo you're not actually arguing for cURL but for bash scripts and potentially something else.

And now you come across all the issues that come with that, like portability, the inevitable messiness of Bash (and the fact that people actually need to learn it unlike a GUI tool that uses simple JS for scripting), and you lose all the convenience of a nice UX and stuff like validation that comes with it.

In other words your argument is about as valid as people who argue that vim is the peak of IDEs and noone ever needs anything else. Which - I really hope - you realize is a bit crazy.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is more crazy.

using tools that are already on your system with zero enshitification potential.
using a wrapper for 1 that has already been enshitified before and who knows when the replacement tool will go through the same thing.

[–] amju_wolf@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

There are even open source tools that do the same thing.

Also, yeah, if something solves a problem, it can be worth it to pay for it even if it's proprietary.

[–] Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 days ago

I just wish that they wrote more articles. Their writing style is superb. Can't argue with this though:

More coming soon. Or not. I don't owe you shit.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I feel like people who make these arguments in earnest are simply terrible at change and lack empathy. "Works for me, so I refuse to understand why it doesn't work for others". It's so conservative neckbeard and offputting.

[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yes and no.

There's a lot to be said about empathy, assumed knowledge/expertise, acquisition of knowledge/expertise, mentorship, deadlines, etc...

But on the other hand, there are psychological effects that result in people being truly blind to alternatives. It's not that they don't think the alternative is correct, or that they don't want to spend mental/emotional energy on learning an alternative. It's that they truly can't even consider that there is an alternative until they are explicitly told to use it. That website exists for those people.