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A German court said on Monday that far-right party Alternative for Germany had filed a lawsuit challenging the domestic intelligence agency's decision to classify it as an extremist organisation.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 65 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Excellent, I'm pretty sure the agency has evidence to back up their claim, so it's almost 100% certain IMO that AfD will lose, and the claim will be confirmed in a court of law.

AfD is digging their own grave here.

[–] DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Only if their base actually cares (and on the aggregate over time).

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No that's not what I mean, their base probably doesn't give a shit. But if they lose the case, it validates the report more than the agency can ever do themselves, and it can be used against AfD in other situations too. It may also justify it for parliament to ban the party.

[–] DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Sorry, I was being a bit cheeky. I hear your points and they are valid.

[–] CptBread@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Well they could also use it for trying to get what kind of sources the agency has... That and to be able to lean even more on to the far rights persecution complex...

Though I do hope you are more correct than me here...

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They tried that before, the Verfassungsschutz will say, publicly, something along the lines of "Two of these 500 quotes are from our moles". That way they protect their sources, vanishing in the general soup, while the court can see that it's party sentiment, not something injected into the party by the Verfassungsschutz. Judges will be able to see the whole uncensored thing one way or the other though it might not necessarily the judges actually judging the case: There's special in camera senates in high courts for when some agency really doesn't want to show stuff. They can look at absolutely anything, and all they have to judge is "yep, it was indeed 2 of 500 quotes".

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm no expert here, but the 1100 page report is confidential AFAIK, and I don't think the court will demand that to be handed over.
The agency will probably present evidence in a way that doesn't compromise agents. I would be surprised if it can't be done with publicly available information.