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Meat is like alcohol, one of those things were the brainwashing goes so deep that it triggers a global panic as soon as anyone brings up any kind of criticism.
Unsurprisingly, both of them are pretty bad for health and big industries.
This is a bit extreme. One of the few things we see across cultures globally is how important food ways are to a given culture and it's identity.
Is that Brainwashing or simply being human?
I mean, the name of this post is enough to see that it's brainwashing. A lot of fake studies are being done to "prove" that those things are fine, if not positive, even though it's obviously not true.
Same happened with cigarettes.
Being human, the humane one, the one who sees themselves in others? There is nothing more human than being humane to animals and abstaining from exploiting them.
I get the moral argument you're trying to make but as an archaeologist it's not a great argument for what I was trying to convey.
For the majority of all human history meat was a very important component of our diets, and for the vast majority of our ancestors this has been needed for our survival.
Once agriculture was invented, fairly recently compared to all human history, meat was still needed to supplement the diet.
Each culture that has existed developed their own foods and ways of preparation. After thousands of years these traditions have evolved and survived to today. People across the world value their food traditions immensely. There are so few things we see of repeated importance in human culture, but food traditions seem universal.
This doesn't speak of the morality or necessity of these food ways, but we'd be ignorant to ignore their very real cultural importance and impacts.
The option to not eat meat in terms of human history is basically brand new and I do believe it will begin to grow generation by generation as more people make the switch and then those new traditions spread.
But anyway don't confuse a culture's very real existence with a statement of morality. Those are two different topics entirely.
I agree with basically everything you’re saying if I understand it correctly, other than “The option to not eat meat in terms of human history is basically brand new” which is easily disputed by Buddhism being over 2500 years old.
I was aware of Buddhism's age when I made that statement. Anatomically modern humans have existed for 300,000 years. Buddhism has been around for about 0.8% of human history. I stand by my statement.
What's an ALF polycule?
Several members of the Animal Liberation Front all dating each other
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The criticism being "don't do it". My meat consumption has decreased but is not eliminated. Always defended people's dietary preferences when vegetarians/vegans faced backlash. Not they've become the preachy ones.
Downplaying the ethical view that exploiting others is wrong and should be avoided as a “dietary preference” comes off as a little disingenuous.
Who is exploiting anyone? Choosing to not eat meat is a dietary preference, regardless of your irrelevant use of quotation marks.
Maybe you'd make more progress if stopped calling people "brainwashed". That's ACTUALLY disingenuous.
Farmers (and by extension the people who pay them) are exploiting animals.
I don’t think I used the term brainwashed in my comments so not sure why you’re attacking me for that, but if you are really continuing to harm animals only because someone used a word you don’t like that’s cause for some introspection.
wat? I'd ask for sauce, cause those are contradictory but I know it will be BS, surprise me...
How exactly is that contradictory?
Big industries making sure that health problems are not too visible isn't exactly something new and surprising. That's basically the main target of lobbies.
This implies health and big industries are aligned, whatever fence you're on, that makes little sense. Contradictory.
Big industries and bad side effects that are known but hushed down are pretty common. From the simple fact that when an industry makes money out of something unhealthy, they rarely scream at the top of their lungs that it is unhealthy.
History has shown it to be pretty much common, and generally it is only accepted by the general public way too late.
And in the other direction, a small industry generally wouldn't have the lobbies needed to quiet down a health scandal.
K I generally agree, but not to argue on the internet levels. Be well.
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Bless your heart I guess.
Yeah, I explained why after but I guess you couldn't read that far.