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They absolutely did:
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/16/kilmar-abrego-garcia-ms-13-gang-member-history-violence
Got anything from a reputable source? The DHS is no longer reputable thanks to trump. It's a fully propaganda page now.
The dhs article is referencing the previous court cases. Here is one where it was determined he is MS13:
https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline
This was appealed and a separate judge came to the same conclusion.
Even pro-Garcia articles make many references to those court cases.
That's your proof he is ms13? A blurb saying "someone" said he is?
The 2 judges saw confidential information proving his MS13 affiliation. This combined with the other evidence - hanging out with self confessed gang members, gang tattoos, wearing the same gang affiliated clothing as the self confessed gang members, etc - were enough to convince 2 separate judges he is a gang member.
Why do you think you know better than them? You didn’t even know these documents and rulings existed lol
Also it’s not my proof - it’s the judges and immigration and DHS’ rulings.
Guilty by association, gotta love it!
I did, they are unconvincing, especially considering he had a stay, to not get deported. Yes I know there were 2 countries listed in the stay. It's bullshit. If he IS a gang member, he still needs to be tried, and found guilty of a crime
lol seeking asylum yet hadn’t even tried to begin citizenship pathways in the 14 years he’d been in the country illegally.
Funnily enough the stay of deportation was because of MS13 rival gangs targeting him lol. Bit of a weird one if he’s not MS13.
Right, because gangs never bother or harass non gang members.
Just another coincidence for Garcia I guess. A coincidence that he was picked up hanging out with self admitted gang members. A coincidence he was wearing known gang clothes while with them. A coincidence he has tattoos that can easily be read as MS13. A coincidence that he says he can’t go back to El Salvador, MS13s home territory, because of MS13s rival gang wanting to kill him.
This guy is just a walking talking coincidence, all with the same gang. What are the odds?!
It could very well be, yes. Guilty by association is not how to do things
And it’s not how they did things.
Except for its how they did things.
Court records show it's not.
Right, these court records of "someone" saying he is? Or the court records that had a stay of deportation?
The court records where 2 separate judges saw all the evidence, including confidential information which prove his gang affiliation. Not just one judge - 2 separate ones.
The invocation of the illegal alien act overrides the stay of deportation, hence why he was deported.
If a confidential informant, or say an undercover agent inside MS13, says that he is a MS13 member, would you believe it? Would you want that confidential informant or undercover agent to have to blow their cover, their job, and risk their life in order to get a single low level gang member deported?
Except the us isn't at war, so he shouldn't have been deported. Trump's government had no right to deport him based on the stay of deportation, sooooo he shouldn't have been deported for being a "gang" member because the stay of deportation wouldn't have happened if he was in ms13.
Except they ruled that they are at war with MS13, so he could lawfully be deported along with all the others.
Already explained - the illegal alien act.
Incorrect. The stay really only happened because he is MS13 - it was given precisely because they concluded that MS13's rival gang would seek him out and harm him if he was deported.
Whoa! Congress declared a state of war?
Which, again, not at war.
Funny that, i thought ms13 were super dangerous, why would they not only stop him from being deported, but also let him be free,
Alien Enemies Act. Google it.
Alien Enemies Act. Google it.
Because activist judges.
Nope
It requires a declaration of war. Only Congress can do that.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/21
Furthermore, people being legally deported under that act have protections
Once all that has legally been done, the federal courts have final say.
So, this is all illegal, and you need to read up on things you no nothing about.
It does not. As I suggested to the other person - Google it. It does not require a declaration of war:
“The Alien Enemies Act of 1798 allows the U.S. President to detain or deport individuals from enemy nations during wartime or in response to threats against the U.S.”
Which of the protections you linked to do you think were not followed? Here they are from your own link:
"When an alien who becomes liable as an enemy, in the manner prescribed in section 21 of this title, is not chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, he shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of his goods and effects, and for his departure, the full time which is or shall be stipulated by any treaty then in force between the United States and the hostile nation or government of which he is a native citizen, denizen, or subject; and where no such treaty exists, or is in force, the President may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality."
What treaty is in force between the United States and El Salvador? What does it state? If no such treaty exists, the President decides.
The irony is just so, so delicious.
Can you read?
The actual text, from the beginning:
Don't come at me with opinions of meaning. I gave you the actual text.
It's like talking to a brick wall with that one BTW lol
Fact. Or a troll
It's been days with them, I think they are really like that. Now, I'm an obstinate mother fucker too, lol.
Fair lol. I've decided they are a troll, so I won't feed them further.
What exactly do you think in the bit you highlighted proves you right?
I'm asking myself the same thing about you based on this conversation.
Let's say that the trump admin is deporting gangs. Cool. Gangs are NOT NATIONS OR GOVERNMENTS.
love how you ignored the protections and jurisdictions bit...
Your still wrong.
Your entire point is based on the fact that only congress can declare war, and the act can only be invoked during war.
That point is 100% incorrect, as shown by your own links. Your own links say it can also be invoked during an invasion, and that an invasion can be declared by the President.
I haven't come with "feelings", I've come with facts - fact that you have also provided but misunderstood.
Ugh "max comment depth".....response to your NEXT comment is here:
Huh? I literally just responded to your comment:
to point out that the act is allowed to be invoked when there is an invasion or predatory incursion coming from a foreign nation. I was pointing out where your point is wrong.......and you then start talking about planes full of migrants?
Love the choice of language too - "migrants" rather than what they all are, which is "illegal immigrants". "without due process" has already been explained - the act that we're talking about means that a different "due process" is now in play, one which they did follow.
Yes, not at war, nor is there an invasion
Yes again, not at war, nor is there an invasion
Yes activist judges, like the ones who wanted him deported? Or are they only activist judges when it goes against your views?
If that’s what you to from that then you’re either room temperature iq or arguing in bad faith.
Illegal immigrants who have already ordered to be deported don’t need to commit another crime to be deported lol. What on earth lol. You think illegal immigrants can’t be exported unless they go and break another crime?!
When there is a stay on deportation, and the dude was seeking asylum. But I guess that doesn't matter