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[–] GMac@feddit.org 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Can we apply the same logic and principle to self driving cars now please and hold the owners of the proprietary software fully and properly responsible for every poor judgement, traffic violation, accident injury and death that happens in self drive mode.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What needs to happen is:

  1. an enforceable certification process, like part of FMVSS, to state "this vehicle is certified as L[0-5] self driving per https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2022-05/Level-of-Automation-052522-tag.pdf". Put the certification on the window sticker. Have it reported to insurance.

  2. Levels 0-2 cannot be advertised as self driving, even though there may be hands-free driving capability in some limited cases. The driver remains fully responsible and liable (no change to current liability rules essentially)

  3. Levels 3 and 4 will be required to have shared liability with the driver and manufacturer in all conditions where the vehicle is in control of itself. This includes roads that the vehicle should be able to navigate autonomously and the driver has requested it to, but it is not for any reason.

  4. Level 5 would place liability on the manufacturer solely, as there is no indicated driver in this case. This is the only one that can be advertised as "self-driving".

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

I have little assurance in anything FMVSS certified. Motorcycle helmets with the DOT sticker(a legal requirement for on-road use in the US) are suppose to meet FMVSS 218.

When the NHTSA did a random test 42% failed. How is that possible you might ask. They let the manufacturer conduct the testing and self-certify.

[–] GMac@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Would work IF you add the proviso that levels 3-4 cannot be advertised or implied to operate on their own initiative.

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 19 points 1 day ago

Yes, but at the same time can we stop marketing as "self driving cars" normal cars with a somewhat sophisticated cruise control, like Teslas, and stop pretending their "super full self driving unsupervised for realsies plus plus" is a "self drive mode"?

Limited liability stops the owners being responsible. It's the executives running the company that should go to jail.