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[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

91% accuracy is the kind of thing that may sound good… hey! It’s an A minus! But it’s actually completely, totally unacceptable. Imagine if the turn signal wand on your car operated with 91% accuracy. About one in every ten times it would light up the wrong direction. How many accidents are we causing? A lot.

[–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 2 points 35 minutes ago

Even the number is a bit misleading. First of all, anyone who has ever done LLM benchmarking knows that this isn’t an exact science, at all. You can totally get a 99% on a benchmark and fail every single task on another.

But even this particular claim is nuanced. From the original article:

But with Gemini 3, Google’s A.I.-generated answers were more likely to be ungrounded than when the system was based on Gemini 2, meaning the websites they linked to did not completely support the information they provided. In October, correct answers were ungrounded 37 percent of the time. In February, with Gemini 3, that figure rose to 56 percent.

See https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/technology/google-ai-overviews-accuracy.html

Meaning that 56% of the time, users cannot even verify the information given by the LLM with the sources the LLM claims it’s using.

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[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 4 points 15 hours ago

I don’t use Google, but DuckDuckGo Search Assist often shows summaries with links that don’t at all support what the summary says, but I often still forget to fact check it. I might start using the no AI version of the site because I’m concerned I might accidentally register something important as factual at some point that isn’t.

[–] kevinsky@feddit.nl 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Removing all the emotion from this, the specific problem with these AI overviews is how Google presents them to you.

Everybody with some sense knows AI's can excrete total hogwash and it's answers need to be fact checked down to the most minute detail. Some people take what they get from AI's as gospel anyway, but that is a them problem.

But Google a: calls these summaries, and b: presents them as the top search result. Both of these things come with a greater than normal degree of implied factuality.

Someone techincally minded will know it's still AI an subject to the same scrutiny but the population at large simply does not, because they entered a search query in a google search box and aren't willingly and deliberately talking to an AI.

[–] sudochown@programming.dev 9 points 22 hours ago

And that’s a problem too. If everything ai says should be fact checked, the burden is shifted back to the consumer making the convenience or ‘productivity’ aspect virtually nonexistent. Such a cop out. Here’s your answer! *be sure to fact check. Okay so google it basically? Why the ai then? Just stupid

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Everybody with some sense knows AI's can excrete total hogwash and it's answers need to be fact checked down to the most minute detail. Some people take what they get from AI's as gospel anyway, but that is a them problem.

The vast majority of people have less than zero idea of what an AI chatbot is. They're purposefully marketed to ensure it makes as little sense as possible to anyone who doesn't do a good bit of research.

People hear or read 'artificial intelligence', and picture the batcomputer or C3-P0, which were, for the most part, always 100% correct.

But Google a: calls these summaries, and b: presents them as the top search result.

Also c: gives it a colorful, more pleasant looking window to manipulate users into subconsciously prioritizing it over 'plain, ugly' results below.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Here is an example... Apparently Zelensky was a US president at one point and we all missed it.

[–] TimothyOilypants@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

It still seems like letting people off the hook for media literacy is a knee jerk reaction. Since the dawn of Google, the VAST majority of people who use it have just treated the first result as gospel. I don't know if scraping that same content and putting it in the same place with the word "Summary" above it is materially that different.

The core problem here is still individuals not taking accountability for their own education. I would actually argue that holding Google to the standard of somehow being "arbiters of truth" is even more dangerous. No one should trust any information presented to them by an entity that has vested financial interests in influencing consumer behavior.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

That's actually a really good summary of the issue. It's the tacitly implied authenticity and "goodness of match" that being the top result implies that shifts the balance.

If they'd put a "generate AI summary of search" button to display the AI result, I the they'd be on firmer ground.

[–] BOplaid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 17 hours ago

Awesome news

[–] GMac@feddit.org 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Can we apply the same logic and principle to self driving cars now please and hold the owners of the proprietary software fully and properly responsible for every poor judgement, traffic violation, accident injury and death that happens in self drive mode.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What needs to happen is:

  1. an enforceable certification process, like part of FMVSS, to state "this vehicle is certified as L[0-5] self driving per https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2022-05/Level-of-Automation-052522-tag.pdf". Put the certification on the window sticker. Have it reported to insurance.

  2. Levels 0-2 cannot be advertised as self driving, even though there may be hands-free driving capability in some limited cases. The driver remains fully responsible and liable (no change to current liability rules essentially)

  3. Levels 3 and 4 will be required to have shared liability with the driver and manufacturer in all conditions where the vehicle is in control of itself. This includes roads that the vehicle should be able to navigate autonomously and the driver has requested it to, but it is not for any reason.

  4. Level 5 would place liability on the manufacturer solely, as there is no indicated driver in this case. This is the only one that can be advertised as "self-driving".

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

I have little assurance in anything FMVSS certified. Motorcycle helmets with the DOT sticker(a legal requirement for on-road use in the US) are suppose to meet FMVSS 218.

When the NHTSA did a random test 42% failed. How is that possible you might ask. They let the manufacturer conduct the testing and self-certify.

[–] GMac@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Would work IF you add the proviso that levels 3-4 cannot be advertised or implied to operate on their own initiative.

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 19 points 1 day ago

Yes, but at the same time can we stop marketing as "self driving cars" normal cars with a somewhat sophisticated cruise control, like Teslas, and stop pretending their "super full self driving unsupervised for realsies plus plus" is a "self drive mode"?

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[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"This slop is not available in your country."

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 40 points 1 day ago

VPN getting set to Germany if that happens.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 110 points 2 days ago (5 children)

All the arguments of "AI doesn't impact copyright because it creates derivative content" were bound to lead here. You can't (or at least shouldn't be able to) have it both ways.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 47 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I was thinking the same thing.

An AI output is EITHER an original work (either as a wholly original work or as a derivative of another work), or it's not (and is thus a republication of an existing work).

If it's a republication, then Google owes a ton of copyright fees and the original publisher of whatever bit of training data got regurgitated is liable. If it's an original / derivative work, then Google owes nobody anything, but is responsible for whatever the AI outputs.

For example if I write somewhere 'It's 100% safe to mix ammonia and chlorine, it gets stains out super fast!' (note- DON'T do this, it's toxic), I'm the author of that statement so if someone does that and dies I've got partial responsibility for that death.

Same thing with Google.

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 23 points 1 day ago
[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Excellent. Make platforms with algorithmic feeds count as publishers, too, and you can solve 90% of the world’s problems

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 161 points 2 days ago (25 children)

A regular search engine just points to outside websites. But AI overviews generate "independent, new, and substantive statements" by evaluating and combining content from various third-party sites. And only Google can check those statements, the court said, "at least by comparing the underlying third-party websites with its own statements based on them."

Honestly this is all the reasoning you need to infer that Google should be liable. Google alone has editorial control over the summary their AI generates, not the outside sources used to generate these statements, ergo Google should be held liable for that.

At the hearing, Google argued that users could check the linked sources themselves to verify whether the AI summary was correct. Users generally knew "that information generated with AI should not be blindly trusted," the company claimed.

... And you know that's true when the best Google could muster as a defence is to say that people shouldn't be blindly trusting the AI, which ironically means even Google thinks their AI is full of shit.

But unfortunately for Google, not only does the court not buy that defence, but it would appear that's contrary to how most people use the feature.

The ruling may also have international reach, according to the court.

I seriously hope so. Its about time companies started taking proper liability for the actions of their LLMs.

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaa! YES!

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 195 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I literally laughed out loud reading the headline. Good shit, hopefully the Find Out season will carry on at this kinda pace. Probably won't, but it'd be nice to see.

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