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Text: Amazon's electric cargo bikes have arrived in DC.

Image: A four-wheeled vehicle that appears to be a cross between a bicycle, a go-cart, and a mini-truck

Response text from high t alpha shemale @gluetaster: that's not a cargo bike man that's a loopholemobile

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 209 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a keitruck without regulations.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What? you don’t like corporate-exclusive keitrucks?

Amazon: Kei for me not for thee

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nope, I don’t like corporate-exclusive keitrucks that skirt laws and regs. Keitrucks are the designed result of regulations.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Keitrucks are the designed result of regulations.

So exactly as this "cargo-e-bike"... especially designed to work within the existing regulation for cargo-e-bikes.

[–] SooperGoose@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That is a stupid assumption to make and even more stupid that you're trying to defend Amazon. It has 4 wheels, so it literally isn't even a bike. This is obviously an attempt to cut some corner, probably trying to save on gasoline and shove more responsibility to the workers who aren't being paid anywhere near what their labor is worth.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Having to actually defend Amazon is the bad part.

Having regulation that makes small(-ish) electric vehicles with certain speed limits count legally as e-bikes is exactly how you get efficient small electric vehicles to be used for the last mile of deliveries instead of stupid trucks.

That's how Kei cars and trucks were established: special regulation for vehicles with limited sizes and power not counting as normal cars so being exempt from certain requirements, paying reduced taxes and insurance etc.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think there's necessarily anything corporate-exclusive about these; you could probably commission your own if you wanted.

I don't really see how this doesn't count as a motor vehicle, though. Be interesting to see what the 'assist' speed and power limits are.

[–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I looked up what constitutes an ebike in my state and it has to to be 750w or less motor and limit to 28mph with pedal assist. Has to have a front light and rear reflector like a regular bike. If you can go 30 or more on an ebike, its considered a motorcycle and you can be pulled over and need registration, insurance, license. This thing is gonna end up with many states adding vehicle weight limits.

[–] logi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

28 mph is 45 kph and about twice the speed at which assist is required to cut out in Europe.

This thing needs weight limits and its speed halved. There should also be a momentum limit on speed times weight so a heavier vehicle has to go slower.

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 day ago

A power limit acts as kind-of an implicit momentum limit, although it can be more limiting going uphill.