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Burning Gas Pollutes So Much, Dirty EV Battery Manufacturing Evens Out In About 2 Years
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Socialize losses, privatize gains. I don't want my tax money incentivizing some rich asshole to buy an EV. Nobody that needs help buying a car can even consider an EV, their too expensive. The cheapest ev u can buy in USA is 30k, the cheapest ICE is 22k. And people that need help buying cars can't afford either. Only middle class + people are buying these things, and they don't need poor people's tax money to subsidize their purchase from a private corp. I'm all for evs but let's be honest the people buying them DONT need help buying them. Id rather see my tax money go toward renewable infrastructure or research on batteries and such! We can't keep relying on the private industry to fund research, in technology or in medicine or any science imo. But that's just my angry fist wagging opinion as somebody who refuses to spend more than 3k on a car because I'm not made of money. I'm not exactly poor, I'm a home owner under 30 and make around 60-70k a year depending on OT and bonuses. But if I went and got a loan on a Chevy bolt for 30k I would not be able to make my mortgage payments even with subsidies, so why should somebody who makes more get help buying a new car? Horseshit
There’s more reason to incentives than to “help people who can’t afford new”
EVs are inevitable, but we need to be encouraging a faster transition for environmental reasons. But the incentives were at least as much about trying to save legacy manufacturers as they were about encouraging consumers down that path.
Note that as soon as the US stopped incentives, legacy manufacturers withdrew from the EV market. Some were just reaching price parity, such as Chevy Equinox, but the few remaining choices will never have the volume to be profitable. Now they’re heavily protected, at the cost of less choice and much higher prices for all Americans, but that can’t last forever and they appear to be digging their own graves
While I agree with you, roll back of regulations has also contributed. For example the hemi was going to get killed but now their coming back, diesel emissions have lightened up, and epa no longer cares about the Greenhouse Gas Endangerment Finding and repealed it. There has been a LOT of factors this administration has changed that made EV less appealing and shifted us back to high pollution combustion and shitty refrigerants. I'm not convinced ev subsidies are the way forward, we need better renewable infrastructure to properly fuel our EVs and i think that should be funded by our tax dollars rather than hoping that if more people have evs more private corps will build the infrastructure for it. That's like encouraging building trains without any tracks to ride on! Plus renewable infrastructure isn't just for evs, that will help make all our homes greener too!
For sure, we can no longer afford the affects of our current technology and scale on the environment, especially with regard to climate change and where it impacts human health. EVs aren’t a goal in their own right, but as a much cleaner technology that lessens the impact, and we need a variety of pushes and pulls to encourage a faster transition, all of which the current administration is taking away.
While yes we need to build out infrastructure, and yes we would have preferred legacy manufacturers to survive the change, building out supply before there is demand doesn’t always work dry well. Using EV incentives help grow the market, drive demand, especially in the beginning where there is inadequate infrastructure and where manufacturers are not yet able to create comparable prices. It’s another lever to pull, and is important. Hopefully we had them long enough, but growth clearly stalled when they were prematurely ended
And yes, in my part of the US, windfarms killed by trump were important both to lower electricity costs and to clean up our impact.
This isn't exactly correct or truthful. A new EV Bolt is only $4k more than a new Camry, and that difference is quickly made up from the gas saving, especially when gas is $4+ a gallon.
And when you want to accelerate adoption of something, you incentivize it. The US already spends $40+ billion in direct subsidies for oil (https://www.americanprogress.org/article/5-hidden-ways-the-government-rigs-the-market-in-favor-of-fossil-fuels/) Imagine instead of giving that to oil companies, you used that to accelerate the development of EV's and their roll out.
A comparison of subsidized oil would better be served by having the government subsidize clean energy production and infrastructure. It's not like the government is handing out subsidies to buy gas cars 🤷♂️
The government is doing that already (IRA law, although a lot of that was pulled back by the current administration). And like oil had, you would need continuous investment, which hasn't happened, so a discounting program to incentivize purchasing seems like the best of both worlds. It seemed pretty effective as well at kicking off early adoption, which was then hampered by inflation, high prices, and government divesting from EV investment.
I'd recommend buying used over new. Before Iran war bolts were going for $12k
That's still 4 times more than I have spent on my last 12 cars with exception of one crazy nice Audi I had that ran me 7500 lol. And I regret spending that much on a car, despite loving the 400hp fire breathing V8 under the hood. I honestly mainly drive motorcycles, which has been the cheapest way for me to reduce my carbon footprint. I get over 50 mpg on my cruiser and near 80 on my dual sport, and both my motorcycles + my Subaru + my jeep all cost less than one POS chevy bolt LOL. I understand I'm a special case because I work on my vehicles so it's very cheap for me to own a beater, if I didnt have the ability to make all my own repairs and have shop cost on parts and stuff i might consider an EV more strongly but its just way too expensive for now even factoring in what i spend on fuel and repairs.
Seems like EV incentives would be a great help for a purchaser like you. As long as EVs are a niche product for the motivated few, there won’t be much of as used market. The fastest way to develop a healthy used market is higher growth for new cars, then wait a few years. Incentives goose the market for new, but also lay the groundwork for a larger used car market in a few years
Where the heck do you live where you can get a car for 3-4k? Last car I bought was 10k for 130,000 miles on it and the one car I saw for 5k was high mileage, absolutely disgusting on the inside, and false advertised to the point that I could not trust it didn't have major issues.
I work on my own vehicles as well. I'm looking forward to my first oil change at 100k miles, lol. With gas at $4/gal and paying 14.48¢/kWh, I'm getting 107 mpg equivalent dollar for dollar not even hyper-mileing. As far as long term costs go, I'm expecting to get 250k miles out of my batteries and if the Bolt doesn't last that long, I'll repurpose the batteries into a whole home battery backup. Even then, if there's a battery swap that becomes available to her a faster fast charge, I may turn my bolt's battery pack into a home battery pack sooner. I'd much rather reuse what I got than recycle
I mean.. why not? I'd like if every rich guy had an EV instead of ICE. Less pollution is less pollution
They have the money to buy an EV, rich people don't need my tax money to subsidize their purchase. If the EV is that much less appealing than an ice car, then the EV is not ready for market yet! Subsidizing their purchase of a quasi luxury barge that happens to be electric is just giving money to the elite class on both ends at the expense of the proletariat. Encourage the production of affordable, cheap even EVs and infrastructure not 50k+ leather wrapped battery packs on tires lol
"rich people" in your mind is who, exactly? Here in Canada only cars below a certain MSRP qualify for subsidies, so "luxury barges" are not subsidized. Also, a $50K car is not luxury anymore, have you seen car prices recently? New ICE cars are expensive as hell too!
I'm talking about people making into the 6 figures, they don't need help from subsidies to buy cars. That's just giving well to do people money to give to rich corpos 🤷♂️ but ur absolutely right all new cars are getting too damned expensive!
They do if you want to accelerate adoption. People who can afford to pay more have the same disincentives as you do. Why should they pay more? We know EVs are a huge improvement and worth it when the climate is considered, so need to encourage faster adoption.
Think of it more as exploiting them. Pay a little money for some rich assholeto spend more establishing the market for you. The biggest impediment to lower cost is scale: as long as legacy manufacturers can’t scale production they can’t lower prices enough to establish the market. Incentives are the way out
Have you never heard of financing? I make $50,000 a year and bought a used EV. The only reason I was able to was because of rebates offered by IL-EPA. If not for the rebate, I'd still be driving an ICE vehicle and paying $50/wk on gasoline.
I have heard of financing. My buddy is currently on his way to paying 32k for a 15k car lmfao. The bank already owns my house, they don't need to own my transportation too. I spend 40 or so a week on gas during the winter, but in the summer I ride motorcycles every day so my fuel cost is 12-20 a week for 8 or so months of the year! No car payment is going to be cheaper than the transport I own cash right now, simple as that. I have too many bills and shits too expensive to incur another monthly payment!
That might be the worst financing option I've heard in my life. 4000 down on a 15,000 loan would end up being about 12800 total on 5 years at 6%