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Burning Gas Pollutes So Much, Dirty EV Battery Manufacturing Evens Out In About 2 Years
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That sounds great except the batteries don't last forever, so new ones have to keep getting made, which is still ongoing pollution in a different form. If you really want to reduce pollution, ride a bicycle.
Oh wow, another EV thread with a bunch of oil industry mouthpieces telling us how the studies are wrong and what we didn't think of. Thank you Mr. Shell, I almost forgot not everyone has a charging point at their house and it takes time to charge an EV.
Color me surprised.
Bro, didn't you know solar panels get hot when in the sun? Global warming!!
Clearly everyone should run a diesel generator in their living room just to be safe.
Dude, it's the opposite problem. Where do you think the sunlight goes when it hits a solar panel? It sucks it all up! If we set up too many solar panels, they're going to use up all the sunshine and cool the globe until we have another ice age. Big brother petroleum has been saving us!
It's fun to imagine an opposite world where everybody has EVs and other more efficient forms of transit, and then industry wants to introduce ICE vehicles to the market.
You fill it with flammable liquid poison and it shoots gaseous poison out the back while it's running, and nobody can refuel at home, and it's immensely more mechanically complex, but at least it's quick to fill with fuel at the fuel store! Just try not to inhale the poisonous explosive fumes or spill the poisonous volatile liquid on yourself while you do it.
I'd be so sad though because we'd never get a glorious movie scene like this
I'm sure we'll eventually get to the point where they invent rapid charging batteries that can fully charge in 5 minutes. But realistically we don't need it, you just change the way you think about fuelling up.
The point is already here. BYD is installing 1.5MW chargers in Europe. Those things can charge your car in 5mn - provided it accepts it.
Most issues require nuance, and the internet does not have the concept of nuance at all. I did my research and bought my EV, no regrets at all. Not only do I know it's better because I haven't consumed gas now in over 2 years, it's also simply the best and easiest car I've ever owned. It's a no brainer to get one. Anyone who says otherwise I think firmly needs to think about their connection with propaganda.
My EV is easily and by far the best and most fun to drive (and cheapest to run) car I've ever owned.
Absolutely my favourite vehicle to drive ever, easily more fun to drive than a lovely automatic petrol BMW I borrowed a couple of times.
Fun for sure, even the cheapest EVs can push you back into the seat like a sports car
If you want to be better than that, look for cars with LFP battery. They tend to be used in the less expensive cars and in lower capacity configurations. Their carbon footprint is roughly half of the regular NMC batteries and the only mined metal they need is iron and no zink, mangan or cobalt are needed in their chemistry.
That and try to use renewable energy, eg with home owned photovoltaic. If you do all of that, the break even is way before even 2 years and life cycle CO2 footprint is only a fraction of an ICE vehicle.
"We decided to let the earth and all living things on it die, as it would be too hard on the economy if we tried to save it". /s
Burning gas is so extremely bad that even throwing away your old ICE car and buying a new electric car is better than driving the ICE car until it „falls apart“. This was the research finding in Switzerland, but this result was so unwelcome that the research got hidden away. https://www.republik.ch/2025/06/11/amtliche-selbstzensur
Everytime you bring it up, you get a whole lot of people with gasoline powered cars getting very angry. Sure batteries are not 'perfect', but they are a whole lot better in almost every way compared to gasoline powered vehicles.
The anger is less about how bad EV's are and more about being expected to buy a hilariously expensive EV when someone has a perfectly functional car. Make them cheaper and people will buy them, because other than the environmental aspect EV's just require less maintenance overall, making them cheaper to run.
They are only hilariously expensive because ICE manufacturers are lobbying to keep Chinese EVs out of your country...
As an American who would really like a small truck, I know that. :-(
I’d rather spend $100k converting an old ICE car to electric than give the auto industry another dime. The surveillance crap is literally a life or death decision for me. I have a 20y/o ice car I’ll likely have to convert, so no one try your dumb “new car math” with me.
If any fuckers want to make what I’m doing illegal, people will die.
If any fuckers want to make what I’m doing illegal, people will die.
All the shit going on in the USA just now and this is what drives you to murder?
(I assumed you're American because of the culturally dominant idea that it's ok to shoot people if it grants you a bit more personal liberty.)
You see what they did to eBikes ?
Nah, I meant the state says they are going to find and kill all of us that ever said anything bad about trump. His signature is on the strategy document already. Correct assumption though, and I’m not able to leave the dying empire yet so I might die here.
Anyone’s car near any protests turn the owners into suspected domestic terrorists, for example. Remote shutdown so they can box your car in and kidnap you. It listens in on your conversations and AI/LLMs have made data analysis super easy. Nationwide Flock cameras are enough to be targeted anyway, so I don’t need my car shutting off in an emergency and snitching on me to the traitors with guns. More people will die if EV conversions or old cars are made illegal.
Exactly, all modern cars are awful in that regard, ICE, EV or Hybrid, it doesn't matter. The spyware and privacy invasion built into all of them makes none of them desirable to me whatsoever.
Yes THERE is the issue that everyone seems to forget about new cars. I have a project car that I'm thinking will become an EV when it needs an engine because it will be so much easier to deal with. And it won't call home to the feds every day.
Old muscle cars converted to EV I think are so cool. There was a show that converted an old K10 truck and hid the batteries in the bed tool box.
A 80s station wagon, a Country Squire, or 70s luxury cruiser like a Cadillac or Lincoln would be awesome.
EVs, or just newer cars in general, are just so boring and cramped. Not to mention all the connection and surveillance concerns.
Boring, cramped, and almost impossible to see out of.
I think Ford straight-up sells an electric motor swap that will fit right in their older cars.
I have a weird little 4x4 that would be amazing if it were electric. I wouldn't have to worry about getting in a situation where the engine is tilted too much and it's simultaneously starving for fuel and oil.
I'd also like to know why Harley acted so ashamed of the Livewire. Probably one of the coolest things they've done up to the Pan America.
WARNING: PUI
I rode a Livewire on a demo day, and it was amazing. I'd never operated an electric vehicle other than a forklift before I rode that bike, I was ready for the lack of clutch but I wasn't ready for how fast it jumped when I first hit the "gas".
But then I saw the price tag. $15,000 would have been a bit too much, but it's a Harley. $10,000 I would have bought it. But they wanted $30,000 for it. That's CVO money for a short commuter or bar hopper.
The pan-am is a cool bike for sure, I sat on one the day I bought my Nightster and it was ~8k more, but I really considered the financial gymnastics because I would have loved it. I tried a sportster S, which has a de-tuned version of the pan-am engine. It was really quick but the seating position wasn't for me. The Nightster has mid controls and is very lightweight. It's a lot easier to ride long distances, but the Pan Am would probably be more comfortable.
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