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[–] nigel@piefed.social 29 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If you just throw every task at it, I can completely imagine that it'll cost you more than any gain in efficiency. To some degree I think this is true of some coding tasks (not all, most are pretty efficient pattern matches, and that's what it does well).

But using LLMs to build tools and pipelines that stand alone (no AU built into it) and enable human productivity seems like a far higher leverage use.

The programming version is building the libraries and abstractions that are robust and well tested, so that regular developers can quickly build and refine the features.

Or building the reporting dashboard. Or whatever.

The cost is only going to go up, and the companies that lock in some non-AI process improvements before the hike will likely be smiling

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Especially because a statistical model of language has very limited valid usecases. Many tasks that people use LLM for do not make any sense and cannot be accomplished by a statistical model of language. It can only output a statistical approximate of what a solution to the task might look like, not an actual solution.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It constructed an entire feature-full library for a UV sensor that just came on the market, by me just throwing the PDF datasheet at it and saying "make library pls".

It's the actual solution. Maybe the statistical approximate just coincidentally lined up with the actual solution? Either way, works for me. Second time it did that, too. Worked for a LiDAR sensor earlier.

[–] nigel@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

This is almost the perfect task for them. I think if them as pattern matches. They have patterns for libraries in their training, and you gave it a technical spec, and it pattern matched it across to a library.

On top of that, you can verify it and reuse it. But regenerating it every time wouldn't be a good use both for the cost, and the risk of subtle issues that don't get noticed. Same argument as for any library.

Probably because I've been doing this so long, I often find it easier and more precise to describe things in code or pseudo code than common English, which often aides my use of LLMs.

On another note, I'm curious what you're making. My "when I get time" project is to use an old STM32 drone flight controller to do some basic robotics, which will only be possible because I think the LLM will pattern match me out of trouble getting an embedded C program compiling after 20 years out of that game.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe the statistical approximate just coincidentally lined up with the actual solution?

Yes, right, and this can happen. I didn't say they are a bad approximation. LLMs may be the most advanced and sophisticated statistical models ever created (if there are other examples of statistical models that are more sophisticated, I would love to learn about them). But given what an LLM actually objectively is, a statistical model of the next token to follow from a sample of language, what other explanation could there be?

We need to keep in mind what the tools that we are working with actually are.

As a code generator, they can produce great results, especially simple stuff like generating a script or some function implementation. Once you get to software engineering tasks like designing system architecture and designing maintainable code, it starts to fall apart really fast. You end up doing all of the work for it in natural language and just using the LLM for a usecase that it is actually great for: translation, from detailed spec to code.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

To add to that... when we start looking at the price of things, software engineering becomes very important. Sure I may be able to get the LLM to do something instead of doing it myself, but if it's costing tens of thousands of dollars to save me one hour of work, it's going to be hard to justify that cost.

We'll eventually need to become familiar with which problems it's relatively cheap to use an LLM for and which problems it will be very expensive to use it for. Hmmmm... estimating performance of an algorithm and making decisions about when to use it and not use it... what does that sound like?