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Gonna vaguepost so I don't self dox too much. Had to replace a dead appliance this week. Got a lightly used replacement, no choice about which. It had a wifi spot build in. It would talk to any phone with the mfg app. No auth other than having the app installed! WTF.

You couldn't disable that! Well not thru the panel controls. Web says you can do it with the phone app. IF you make an account with the mfg for your appliance first. Rofl!

Maybe this approach will help others. What I did was, searched the schematics online. Most appliances, you can find it. Searching model number + schematic often works. There are sites that catalog them.

Using the schematic, I found a connector that powered the wifi. Unplugged that. Re-powered appliance. Confirmed wifi was gone.

My neighbors are not gonna hijack my appliance over wifi, so I wasn't worried about that. I guess it could find an open WAP and phone home. TBH it was mostly the principle of the thing tho! I don't want ANY n/w on my appliances, thank you. Ya know?

It's a tiny skirmish in the war against IOT. Editing here to quote Aragorn, who famously said about IOT, "There may come a day when my appliances connect to the internet. But it is not THIS day!"

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[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I often replace those WiFi models with esp32s. ESPhome on top.

Currently working in a full integration for our heat pumps. I freed ceiling lamps, space heaters, and more from their chinese cloud backdoor.

If I can get a device that respects my privacy I will buy that version. If not, I am a Journeyman of Electronics (yes, rly) I have my beloved oscilloscopes, logic analysers and 50 EPSs in stock.

[–] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

space heaters, and more from their chinese cloud backdoor.

Cloud enabled ... ... space heaters?

That's up there with cloud enabled Bunsen burners as "this is just not a good idea at all."

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Na, that fine. I have seen cloud enabled power tools ... Yes ...

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually, I'd take a bluetooth tracker in my 10mm socket

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

What kind of socket? Pass through or closed? I ma have schematics for this

[–] Defectus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The obly thing thats left in my home is my Mitsubishi heat pump. Thought about it bit I don't wanna risk the warranty. Although tur wifi module is removable. Haven't looked in a while if there's a cloud free replacement

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Often, those are only serial/wifi bridges. Worth al look. Logic analysers you can get for less then 20 bucks as a cheap USB knockoff, but they work. If it is just serial, congratulations, that is a straight forward implementation. And in Europe, this does not break warranty btw

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

how do you figure out the protocols with these tools?

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

First, find VCC and GND. Verify peak voltages with an oscilloscope on the signal wires. Connect all wires, do some stuff in the app while you record.

Most software has analysis functions, if not, check the usual protocols.

If you have more then 5V on the wire, it may be Modbus or other industrial connection standards.

If found the correct protocol, baudrate and so on, I use for example esp32s to sniff in the wire and do a more useful long time capture