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The thing you have to understand about TERF ideology is that they think:
So naturally they think trans women are evil rapey men trying to infiltrate women's spaces, while trans men are weak-willed stupid little girls who've been seduced into Gender and don't know any better.
Very feminist, much radical.
it's so clear and so sad how accurate your words are
The term "seduced into gender" is hilarious
I've read that porno.
Well, I'm aware of that. I'm just baffled by how little TERFs care about those "stupid little girls seduced by gender".
In their worldview, they are "women" entering a space full of "evil men", which sound worse than a "man" entering a space full of women.
I don't hear them talking about trans men and toilets (I guess they think they're st risk, but it's their own fault?) but I've heard lots of criticism of trans men as telling women they aren't allowed to be masculine, or erasing lesbians, or other poorly informed things.
There’s a subset of TERFs that are lesbians, they’ve seen a lot of butch lesbians transition fairly recently (from what I’ve collected on the TERF forum I’m aware of) and they seem to point to that a lot. They seem to just consider transmen to be butch lesbians who “bought into gender ideology” and consider them to be quite delusional for doing so. I don’t get any sense of particularly “protecting butch lesbians from themselves” they seem to frame it more as those women are lost causes and the way to “protect them” is by not allowing them to be “infected” by trans identity, they definitely talk about them like they’re “asking for it” if anything bad does happen to them because they do believe they are women entering a world of evil men but have no way of physically preventing it.
I don’t consider myself a TERF, I do consider myself to be a fairly radical feminist (no we aren’t automatically trans exclusionary) so I do sometimes see them in rad fem spaces and was genuinely curious about the perspective but it seems fairly not cohesive there’s tons of conservative think in it, lots of “crunchy” women etc. TERFs honestly seem to care way more about the TE than the RF, they don’t seem to have any uniting ideology…
What's the difference between regular feminism and radical (non-TERFy) feminism? I don't know if I'm radical or not.
It's not the only possible criteria of course, but certainly the easiest to check for:
Can you do a kickflip?
If you're views diverge sharply from the mainstream, you're radical.
If you think we should change society to bring about gender equality, you are radical. If you think it society is good with some small tweaks like legislating parity of pay or a certain number of women in c-suite positions, you're a liberal feminist.
Afaict most supposed terfs are actually either non feminist conservatives or liberal feminists.
They seem to just not care/know that transmascs exist. I think it's just a matter of erasure.
If they saw a transmasc enter their space they'd probably lose their shit.
The F stands for Fuckwit not Feminist.
yoink!
thanks, I'm stealing that :)
Yeah, I never really understood the term "TERF", as their idiology is counter to that of any kind if feminism that I've ever seen, which is generally all about equality between genders.
Excellent explanation, and happy cake day, if that’s a thing we say.
So if terf was actually radical feminism (it’s not), it would be basically the horseshoe theory where you’re so ”radical” you get back to “traditional” values with a bit of misandry sprinkled in.