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[โ€“] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately at the stage we are at we dont have enough time to only fight the root causes.

[โ€“] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe true, but these are the consequences of ignoring (or creating) the problems but as it seems they don't even care to understand why AfD get so many support.
Only silencing them now will end with AfD with more votes and even less time to attack the root causes.

[โ€“] tomi000@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course the current German government doesnt care for the root causes. CDU has always sided with millionaires and promoted suppression of the working class. They are hoping to shut down AfD while staying in power. On an EU level, we cant really do more than this but its the least that needs to happen.

[โ€“] gian@lemmy.grys.it -2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

They are hoping to shut down AfD while staying in power.

Then they are even more stupid...

On an EU level, we cant really do more than this but its the least that needs to happen.

Oh, yes, we can do way more.
Think about to impose some sort of limitation to indiscriminate immigration, think about stopping to try to punish the members that do not accept illegal immigrants, think about starting to work to preserve the industries and workplace in Europe, think about how to make outsourcing production less cost-effective for those who do it.
There are a lot of thing EU can do if they want.

[โ€“] Enkrod@feddit.org 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

So you want to support the incorrect narrative of those xenophobic liars that it's because of immigration instead of the real reason, out of control capitalism with the rich getting richer?

[โ€“] gian@lemmy.grys.it 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No, I was pointing out that there are things EU can decide to do that make points that are behind AfD rising moot. Which is the solution if we want to solve the problem and not just hide it.

Up until politicians do not understand that AfD (like the far right wing parties in general) are the effect and not the cause, AfD and the like will continue to rise.

AfD has a xenophobic narrative ? Yes, of course. But they was also offered an easy target.
Let's be real: if there would not be all these illegal immigrant in our cities (I am sure that the problems we have near the Milano Central Station are common in many cities) AfD would not have a target. If we had done something when all the jobs were moved to cheaper countries they would not have a target. The rich are getting richer because we are allowing them to do so.(*)

True, there would always be some fascist around, stupid people would always exist, but they would be just a small group of fanatics that are irrelevant like the dozens of other parties (never hear about the Popolo della Famiglia italian party for example ?) that get 0.something % votes at the elections.

Silencing them it's like sweeping dust under the rug: sure, you can't see it, but the dust is still there and sooner or later it will come to bite you.

(*) BTW, thinking that all the problems are caused by the rich getting richer is the same thing that thinking that all the problems are caused by immigration: it is false. Both of these thing are aspects of the same problem, not the cause per se.

[โ€“] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I wasnt talking about what the EU can do to promote fascism, I meant opposing it.

[โ€“] gian@lemmy.grys.it 0 points 17 hours ago

Let me understand: wanting to have some controls over unchecked immigration and to preserve jobs in EU is fascist ?
What was your idea of opposing fascism then ? Simply sweep it under the rug and think that just because you can't see it, it doesn't exist?