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A lodging facility in Kyoto has drawn a protest from the Israeli Embassy in Tokyo for asking an Israeli man to sign a pledge that he had never been involved in war crimes.

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[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How could any Israeli citizen say no on #3 At this point. Even if you arent directly committing atrocities yourself you still are funding the government engaging in it. Not to mention most all of them have served in one capacity or another (involuntary aspects nonwithstanding)

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This honestly doesn't make much sense. The implication would be that all citizens are culpable for their government's actions once they start paying taxes.

Funding your government isn't a voluntary act, so your last parenthetical already invalidates most of what you said.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

So by that logic, are all Americans war criminals because Americans pay taxes, which go to fund drone strikes that murder civilians overseas, domestic militarization of police, prisons, etc?

This is the same logic as "all Palastinians support Hamas."

[–] GoodWaterBottle@lemmus.org 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

So by that logic, are all Americans war criminals because Americans pay taxes, which go to fund drone strikes that murder civilians overseas, domestic militarization of police, prisons, etc?

Yes. Exactly like russians are all submitted to sanctions because of their government.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

The purpose of my comment was kind of to call out the ridiculousness of the question being on the form, because if that broad definition is how were defining war criminals, then yes I think logically it would mean people funding the war crimes in any capacity would then be war criminals themselves. Again, by the definition assumed based on the question being on the questionnaire. When I read it my first thought was that I could probably not say no to that question as a US taxpayer

Personally I dont think aiding & abetting in any way, especially through involuntary taxation, is enough to define someone as a war criminal. But its fair to say we (collectively) arent doing enough to stop the bad shit our taxes are funding, which is true of any Israeli citizen right now as well.

People could refuse to pay their taxes and risk arrest, but I dont think thats an effective form of protest. Better to not be in prison and have a voice. But there would be a logical consistency in doing it

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 19 hours ago

then yes I think logically it would mean people funding the war crimes in any capacity would then be war criminals themselves

Maybe this is why so many Americans (including myself) are absolutely fucking furious and speaking out about Israel's war crimes and America's direct support of it. I don't want to be complicit and want there to be zero confusion on this matter. I want to distance myself from it as much as possible.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So ... we should've hanged all the Germans in '45? The child soldiers drafted in Berlin? Shot the entire Japanese army? Drag all US-citizens to court for acting against the constitution?

I am going to be downvoted to oblivion, but: Lock up all Palestinians for not extraditing terrorists and war criminals?

Where do you think this will go, honestly? How is any of that justified, or fair? Should we commit a genocide of our own upon the Israelis? I know that's not what you said and I very much hope it's not what you meant.

This platform sometimes, fuck me.

[–] GoodWaterBottle@lemmus.org 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Hey another fedditor defending the rights of war crimers. No surprise.

[–] GoodWaterBottle@lemmus.org 1 points 6 hours ago

Should we commit a genocide of our own upon the Israelis?

If we had bombed tel aviv earlier that shit wouldn't have happened, asshole