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[–] lokalhorst@feddit.org 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

In this case I would argue that on the web you're unnaturally often confronted with sexual content, much more than you would be in reality.

However I agree with you, this is kind of a delicate topic. The passive "I want to avoid" can easily be turned into an active "woman should not be allowed to wear short skirts because that is sexually attractive to me" and this is very dangerous thinking. It is diametrical to my own beliefs as I think nobody is allowed to tell anybody else how to dress in public. Your nudity example is of cause pretty extreme.

I am a feminist and an ally, but I am also a man and I struggle with the topic in general. I am easily aroused from visual stimuli, it's nothing I can prevent. For sure I keep this in my head and I would never stare, catcall or whatever but I sometimes which I wouldn't be confronted with these stimuli in the outside world, it is distracting.

I haven't thought this through completely and I find it a very difficult topic to talk about. There are two sides fighting - my liberal world view and my desire to normalize nudity versus a hypersexualized web and pop culture; and I feel avoiding this stuff and blocking NSFW helps me to desensitize, if that makes sense to you.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't blocking anything deemed risque or deviant more sensitize you than DEsensitize you? Or are you implying like a pornography addiction or something?

Either way, I think this subject is VERY much in play in the current culture war we're in. The normalization of mainstream language now using shame, guilt, "on GOD", and other European Christianity masculine values like "brother" this and "bro" and "cringe" and stuff. So much of this newfound self help and what should be behavior never really gets looked at deeply, and so much of it is extremely problematic with racist, sexist, and homophobic foundational logic. So when people adapt it, like you say, it becomes a pretty slippery slope to controlling behavior that if you came out and just wanted people to stop, there would be an uprising. But because of these more insidious jumps in logic that people just assume ("naked person in public does affect me"), it becomes this slow decay that eats away at rights.

Basically, I'm saying that we just have to ACTUALLY talk about, as hard as it may be, and we must talk about it HONESTLY and OPENLY. Maybe learning how to discuss topics like these needs to be what education reform focuses more on, so that, you and I are just screwed, but maybe the next generations can be better off, aware of, and protected against giant leaps in worldview logic, and how to address them justly.

Like, I'm pan af and very sex positive, but also think safety and long term happiness for everybody should be the end goal. Let people be people, making drugs or speech illegal doesn't fix anything, "race" is not a synonym for species or national heritage, attractive or not naked people on the street aren't hurting anybody, the sexualization of everything actually fixes a lot of problems, and we must keep in mind that morality doesn't exist in nature and is solely defined by humanity and is basically infinitely fluctuating and differently simultaneously across different people across time and in different places.

But, there has to be an answer to naked-person-having-a-walk-in-public.

I'll start, with this question:

Does the context in which the decision to do that matter? Does it matter if it was a PROTEST, or, say, a FETISH exhibitionist walk?

Because, if it's a fetish walk, a lot of people will cry out the "no consent!" thing. But then you have to ask follow up questions about what is sexual, what is public, does it affect you, what does it mean to affect somebody, what the limits of affecting others are, what about acts of violence, how social contracts are implied, who follows, how they're changed, etc

And if it's a protest, you basically have to answer the same questions, but just from a second perspective. And I'm sure there's more I'm not thinking of.

[–] lokalhorst@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Wouldn't blocking anything deemed risque or deviant more sensitize you than DEsensitize you? Or are you implying like a pornography addiction or something?

That's probably a language barrier thing, what I am trying to say is that if I don't fill up my horny level throughout the day with horny posts, it is easier for me in everyday life to not get distracted from stimuli. Because you more you deal with a topic, the more you will think about it. I am luckily far away from a pornography addiction.

You make valid points, of course this is part of the culture war. And as I as a politically left person am confused about the topic, the right has a huge potential to exploit this confusion. I am old and stable enough to not fall for this, I am open for discussing this instead. But this is not true especially for a lot of young cis men who are deeply insecure while growing up and I am very concerned about not having an answer for these young men.

the sexualization of everything actually fixes a lot of problems

I am not sure about this. I think the most important thing is to normalize nudity, which is a cultural thing. Many European countries, for example Finland with their sauna culture or Germany with its FKK culture are way better with then for example the US, where nipples are a symbol of the devil and where it is weird if small children run around naked.
Sexualization of everything - I don't know, can you elaborate on what you mean?

Does the context in which the decision to do that matter? Does it matter if it was a PROTEST, or, say, a FETISH exhibitionist walk?

I think it does, FKK culture is a good example. In Germany there are explicit areas where nudity is possible and often you also need to be nude to enter these places (especially to protect against creeps).

I am not a friend of nudity in public uncontrolled rooms because some people are even sex-negative. If you have had bad experiences for example of sexual assault, it's something that can trigger you. And this affects a large group in society. A protest is more a closed room, people can decide to participate or not. The CSD is a good example.

For me personally, sex is a very private thing I only share with the people that are very close to me, and I think that's okay. On the other hand I am absolutely fine with people being sex-positive. As a society we somehow have to find a common ground and that's not always easy. In the end I think what we really need to be open about is as you already said, talking about it. Talking about sexuality, sexualization, nudity etc. Communication is key.