Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, toxicity and dog-whistling are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
6) No US Politics.
Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !uspolitics@lemmy.world
7) No Hit-and-Run questions.
Please don't delete your post for no apparent reason. If you plan on deleting a question later, say so in the post, or if you feel that you have a good reason to remove it, message a mod beforehand. It's not fair to the ones who took their time to answer, and it's not in the spirit of the community.
8) No Bots.
Posts or comments from bots, LLM's, AIs, Neural Networks, Transformers, or Marvin the Paranoid Android are not welcome in AskLemmy. Real humans only please.
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
view the rest of the comments
Nothing has made me more right wing than left wing propaganda and vica versa
Of course "left/right wing" is a ridiculously over simplified perspective in the first place but if nuance is a political stance, I suppose I'm heavily outnumbered
what left wing propaganda have you encountered?
It's an open secret the fedi is swimming in it, especially the ml instances but there are several categories of varying severity used by people of all political persuasions:
I won't give specific examples because (even when I agree with their end goals) people get defensive but if you look, you'll find them
I think most of what you're encountering and labeling as propaganda is more likely tongue in cheek skewering of the right. If you look at the motivations behind these posts, it's usually to bring attention and awareness to real issues. The right lies about stolen elections and voter fraud because they seek to disenfranchise voters and gain power. The left appeals to emotion sometimes too much, but their end goals are things like universal healthcare, less government spying, and more education.
The right similarly stokes fear and panic by demonizing vulnerable minority and immigrant populations, with the end goal of further entrenching their political power, so they can lower taxes on the rich, and raise them for the poor.
The right and left may both engage in sensationalized headlines and appeals to emotion, but they are not the same, you can tell by their end goals.
Who was in power when epstien "killed himself"? Why is ghislaine maxwell in a cushy minimum security prison? I'll give you a hint, the answer ain't the left.
Same. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am...
Nowadays the real rebels are centrists. Everyone else is just repeating talking points they've consumed from algorithms that only give them part of the story. My conversations with leftists and MAGAs are basically the same conversations, they're the same kind of people.
one one side, literal nazis, on the other, people that want Universal healthcare.
Wow, how do you tell them apart??
Same tactics of harassment and intimidation are being used by both the far left and far right. Y'all want to be tough guys and have everyone else fear you. Because you don't have any actual ideas, the internet has successfully directed your dissatisfaction into hatred of convenient scapegoats.
The only major difference between the far right and far left is they disagree on scapegoats. And if the JD Vance / Tucker Carlson / Candace Owens faction of the far right get their way, both the far right and far left will agree on the scapegoat.
Sure, you buy from different merch stores and have different slogans, but you're all disconnected from reality, "doing your own research" on the internet, denying science and facts when it conflicts with your political narrative, and you all spend more time attacking liberals than discussing any policies you want. It's the same hateful politics, and it's very likely a lot of "leftists" will be voting Republican if that party goes down the antisemitism path.
fear us? we want to give people healthcare? are you having a stroke or are you just genuinely a fucking moron?
I think you've become desensitized to the stochastic terrorism and the online harassment that have become commonplace from the online left.
Open any Luigi thread. They're mostly just about stochastic terrorism. Look at the protests at synagogues and general harassment of Jews. Plenty of threads dedicated to rationalizing this sort of thing. "Edgy" memes about how the death of Charlies Kirk was really cool.
You've been convinced by your group that these are completely normal things to do. Consider how you appear to anyone outside of your group. Leftism has taken on the properties of a hate group, and any attempt to discuss this problem within your communities gets banned. You're in a bubble that has lost it's ability to distinguish between criticism and implied threats of violence. The edgelords on the left are just edging you into fascism.