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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ok how much is beef farming accountable for

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

A huge amount too, 37.9%

But more than one thing can be bad a time, a novel idea, I know

And how many beef farms are there compared to data centers? A lot of a lot more.

If a tiny amount of physical space can do such a large amount of pollution, that's a worry, when the plan is to increase the amount of them.

[–] r1veRRR@feddit.org 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Well, sure, but when everyone loses their fucking minds about the tiniest thing, that even requires us to buy all the lies from billionaires about how much the build out will be, while having never done anything about the biggest thing they could personally change, it starts sounding mightily hypocritical.

It seems like the personal responsibility to boycott polluting and unnecessary industries is limited to whatever doesn't require any personal effort from the person speaking.

Napkin math:

  • 40% of americans are very or extremely concerned about AIs environmental impact
  • To save 34 million tonnes of CO2e, you need about 5.2 million vegans from now until 2030
  • So only 5% of ONLY the complainers would need to go vegan to make up for this "tremendous" impact
  • That's 2% of all americans

That's the thing we're even attacking random strangers online for. The thing that we pretend is going to bring about the end times. But sure, veganism is the extreme position.....

By the way, what other resources are we saving?

  • Water — about 8.8 trillion gallons (~33 billion m³)
  • Land — around 1–1.5 million acres of forest/land
  • Animals — roughly 8 billion animals including fish and shellfish
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

More than one thing can be bad.

Why don't we do both? Less AI, Less Meat

Also, I'm not American, don't insult me by assuming I'm one

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Or, just eat less meat and you can still have AI

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So less food variety and I get trash for the trade, are you the White run merchant buying any random crap the Dragonborn drags in by any chance?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Listen, I didn't say you can't ever eat meat. Just eat a single patty hamburger instead of a double. It's not less food variety, it's called not gorging yourself on things that are bad for your heart health.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude I barely eat half the time, regardless it's a piss poor trade given how AI is quite literally worthless to me. It could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't notice if no one talked about it at least for the shit that these data centers are for. For all the resources dumped into this dumbfuck AI race we could've done damned near anything else and have gotten more value for it with a fraction of the economic and environmental cost, even a bridge to nowhere has better utility.

So how's bout we go down the have no AI and do literally anything else bargain.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's useless to you, but not to other people. Libraries are useless to me because I pirate books, but I'm not going to say it's a waste

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where do you think the pirated books come from?

Usually library copies

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Usually the new releases are from people who personally bought them, not people who wait for them to be put in a library.

Last few physical books I read I just bought because they were rare

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Oh I forgotten y'all are Americans, where your libraries have to wait for books instead of getting a copy pretty much immediately

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

or have double meat and no ai.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bad for heart health, unless it's chicken which already has much lower emissions in the first place

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

AI is bad for your brain and society, so there's that.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

AI is great for society. Just because it's still in its early years doesn't mean we won't have better uses for it later.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, you're just a dipshit, fair

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sure, just handwave the damage and fast forward a century.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the only way we can get out of having to do boring, repetitive jobs literately forever until the end of time.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah such as (checks notes) Art, Music, Writing and joy, so we can (checks notes) be the condom between Claude and Production, be a babysitter for a stupid AI, and have our livelihoods destroyed.

I love that

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not everyone likes AI art or music. I have no qualms about AI email spam. I am cheering for the "corporate email marketing" team to be eliminated as a position

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Well yeah, that's cause you're a shill with no sense of taste and bad opinions

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago

Sounds like a bad solution to me

[–] freeman@feddit.org 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Much more realistic: 6% of amicans that eat mostly vegan

[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

12% of Americans that often choose a vegan meal multiple times per week, seems realistic too.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

A quarter of Americans eating more chicken because it's better for the environment is even more realistic. Chicken is tasty!

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Personally I'll never go Vegan simply out of spite because no matter what is being discussed there's ALWAYS some asshole inserting veganism into the topic.

Veganism might be great for the environment, but as long as you(they) continue to act worse than especially obnoxious Jehovah's Witnesses, veganism can go fuck itself.

If I devoured one cow every time some vegan asshole spoke up in a thread that was on a completely different topic, cows would be extinct.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not vegan and yours is a shitty take, sorry to have to tell you this.

[–] Hond@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

What a whiny little bitch you are.

I'm not even vegan. But meat eating morons signal posting that they're sick of vegans are way more common and annoying than vocal vegans.

Its such a overplayed prejudice for as long as i can remember. I came across overreaching vegans which actually annoyed me maybe five times in my life. Signalposting meat heads are more like a weekly occurance.

Random vegan at a bbq "hey, can i have small sliver of aluminum foil for my stuff and if you guys dont half intentionally wrench the meat juices over my veggies, that would be cool"
What always follows: 10-30 minute moronic rant of some meathead because eating meat is his whole personality.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] modus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

I'm sure that my argument isn't bullet-proof, but raping animals, raising their babies based on the profit you can make out of processing their corpses and running an endless ad cycle and bribe system aimed at making people want to participate in and perpetrate this practice of cynical violence on sentient beings doesn't scale well.

PS: I'm not even a vegetarian, but the argument may be unpleasant in terms of form, not of content.