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Big thanks to the Democratic party who will only run genocidal neoliberal ghouls.
Found the "accidental" MAGA-enabler!
Nope - the MAGA enablers are the party leaders who will not run or support candidates who are not genocidal neoliberal ghouls.
What's the point in beating MAGA with a genocidal neoliberal?
"What's the point in choosing to eat sand instead of poop (especially when not voting to eat poop means eating poop will be less likely to be one of the choices)? They both taste bad, so we may as well flip a coin."
So let's go with that analogy shall we? What is the winning move in a restaurant that only serves poop or sand? It's not to order the sand - it's to tell them that you won't eat there at all until they offer good food. The democrats won't change while we keep electing their right-wing ghouls. They need to learn that we will sit it out until they run actual ethical candidates.
Ah, so youre a "If I don't participate in how the driver drives this bus, I will be safe when it is driven off the cliff" type.
To the metaphor, You must eat at the restaurant. Not eating at the restaurant physically cannot happen. Until enough people consistently vote to eat sand, the 50/50 flip between sand and poop will continue to go on unimpeded. Once sand wins consistently enough, paper will be offered. Once paper wins often enough, salads will be offered.
Actually I don't have to eat at the restaurant. As much as the restaurant would like to give the impression that there is no choice except genocide, that is not true. The only winning move is to force them to change the menu. Not eating there is the only way to do this. Let's be real - salad will never be offered while they know they can sell you sand or shit. Let's look at this the other way - why are you so hostile to the idea of a restaurant that serves real food?
You literally do.
As an occupant of Earth, you are affected by US politics. Multiply that by a hundred times if you are a~~n American~~ united statesian.
Which is not accomplished by encouraging voter apathy, as you have done this entire thread (and even without glancing at your comment history, is probably a core part of your personality/modus operandi).
Then fire yourself into fucking space, because that's the only way you're avoiding the consequences of US elections (and as a benefit, the rest of us won't be dragged into fascism by your encouraging people not to vote against MAGA).
You are confusing living with the results of a restaurant environment that only serves shit, with ordering off their menus. Answer me this - if it is SO important that we defeat the shit serving restaurant that you want me to order sand - why is it so inconceivable to you that the democrats might consider serving real food? If the consequences of not voting are so severe why is the only option that is off the table for you running candidates who serve real food? It seems very odd to me that that is the one thing you think is beyond the pale. Doesn't it seem to strange to you? Let's hope that in 2028 the democrats realize that the only way to attract customers is to serve real food. Come on - you can do it to stop fascism!
No I'm not. In the metaphor, votes are votes, and consuming the food is living with the consequences of US elections. You're the one whose mental-gymnastics/naivete decided you can live on Earth and not be affected by US elections.
I never said it was; you're straw-manning me.
I agree, your straw-man is very strange.
It's not a straw man. I have told you I will not vote for a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul. Your position is that I must in order to 'stop fascism'. You continue to side-step the idea of why it is unreasonable to expect the democrats to run an option that is not a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul - why they can't be expected to serve anything but sand. You don't think there is any correlation between them insisting on only serving sand and people refusing to eat / vote for them. I think you are deeply confused.
It is.
You have. This is an irrelevant bit to prove you are not straw-manning me, though.
Technically it's that (encouraging people to) sit out elections rather than voting for a Lesser Evil is enabling MAGA/facism, but close enough to the point of splitting hairs and pedantry.
No I don't. You haven't even introduced it until the most recent comment, and I addressed it. I'll expand to make you more comfortable, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable to essentially treat you like a fool for not realizing it's a belief I hold:
Yes, the Democrats have failed to introduce strong enough candidates to be hugely better than MAGA in every way. They are the sand in the metaphor.
You are implying I think eating sand is good or that serving sand is good, which is either an insult to my intelligence, an indicator of your poor intelligence, or a sign you are participating in this discussion in bad faith. I'm leaning #3, but I admit that's just a guess.
Look - I don't think your position is either logically consistent or will lead to the practical outcomes you say you desire. I believe that the only way to create progress in the US is to refuse to vote for genocidal neo-liberals. If we vote for them just because the alternative is a little bit worse, we will literally never get progress. Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let's be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already. The ONLY way to create real change is to let the democrats know that they will not win until they offer candidates who are committed to real change.
Likewise!
And again, fascists/MAGA are very, very happy you feel that way, especially when you convince others of it.
Read a book sometime, especially about people like FDR.
OK - so if we agree that what you are proposing won't work, why are you continuing to espouse that position? OK - so fascists are happy that democrats won't run real candidates - but it's somehow MY fault for not voting for them rather than democrats for insisting on running them despite the fact that they enable fascists? I'm well aware of FDR. FYI he was president 93 years ago, and much of the progress he made has been dismantled, a good deal of it by democrats. You are making my point for me.
Another straw-man.
Are you this bad at reading comprehension or do you know you're lying and you're just doing all of this in bad faith? I admit I'm curious and want to know before I block you for being a serial time-waster.
lol. lmao, even
Are you PLA, MAGA, or Kremlin-paid?
I'm really not sure why you won't answer the very simple question - why is the only course of action that you think is unreasonable the democrats running real candidates? I will not vote for them until they do - if they believe that stopping fascism is less important than stopping real political change then the results are their fault - not mine. What point are you making about FDR? You brought him up as an example of a real democrat - sure - but that was almost a century ago. I think it's telling that he is your go-to example. What's funny about that?
Because it's a bad faith question. Observe:
Why do you eat babies?
Because you said people like him have never existed. I mentioned he did. Now you say you knew all about him the whole time.
So go argue with Terrorphin@thelemmy.club, because they disagreed with you about FDR's existence a mere two comments ago.
Either you have significant cognitive impairments or the substance of our argument is less important than you doing mental gymnastics in service of a propaganda win.
Whichever it is, I don't think it's a good use of my time to read and respond to you any more. Any reader that feels like wasting their time reading what you're saying can see you're participating in bad faith and come to their own conclusions.
It's not a bad faith question. You yourself said that the democratic party is like a restaurant that only serves sand. Why is it that the only thing that it's unreasonable to do in the fight against fascism is demand that the democrats run candidates worth voting for? It's a fair question. I don't eat babies. It's not remotely comparable - we both agree that the democratic party is serving sand. There's no dispute on the facts. I did not say that people like him never existed in history. My point was that he has not been on the ballot for a century. I was clearly talking about the contemporary democratic party - not ancient history.
Lol this guy wants to argue and get themselves worked up. I find it funny.
Do you think they got banned off of reddit?
oh - so funny to be confronted with facts? Laugh it up so you don't have to confront that you are wrong? How amusing.
Guess your looking for a fight too 🤣
Might want to glance at usernames before you swing.
lol - I have no idea what you are talking about.
Im shocked lol, but I'm taking about the other person you were talking to.
As sun tzu said "seem victory then go to war"
So - I'm not sure - but you seem to be saying that no one should dare to disagree with some particular person? Is that what you're trying to say? FYI- having a discussion is not 'going to war'. lol
I give you the answer but you keep guessing.
I have literally no idea what you are talking about. I suspect you don't either.
I actually do know what I'm talking about, but your level of confusion is hilarious.
I could tell you the sky is blue and you'd trip out.
You're just stringing together random words in the hope of trolling people?
Nah you're just bad at communication or you want to be offended.
If you had something to say you would say it - you're just a troll I've now blocked. Goodbye.
Yeah that's why I'm saying what I said.
For the hundredth time, I never said that.
You are the one who injected "abstaining from voting is a good choice" into the discussion. That is a dumb take, as I described above.
When I suffer some form of traumatic brain injury and subsequently say "Demanding Democrats run better candidates is bad," feel free to make the above points.
Doing so in this particular discussion is a waste of both of our time.
Lmfao. I guess someone "hacked" your account when you said "Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already."
Again, whether you take me for an idiot, you are an idiot, or you are trying to do a Russia/China/MAGA propaganda:
Goodbye.
Once again you dodge the issue. Why is it my fault for not voting for terrible candidates, rather than the party's fault for refusing to run quality candidates? Why do you pretend that the question of why the party doesn't already run real candidates is a silly one? It is actually the central issue here. The democrats won't run quality candidates while they can be elected running genocidal corporate friendly ghouls. That's just a fact.