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Its only in the last 50 years that women have been able to serve in wars. Its only in the last 50 years that most women have been able to find employment in the same spheres as men.
Yet, most soldiers are men. Yet in every hard labor industry the majority of employees are men. Most homicide victims are men. Most suicides are men.
Now, I will admit that I was tutored under the patriarchy and there may be a discrepancy in my learning. However, it is no difficulty to cite my sources.
suicides by sex
military by sex
Jobs by sex
homicides by sex
My point is that women have undoubtedly contributed MASSIVELY to human innovation, and have suffered under patriarchal social systems, but by no means is it that the road of capitalism is paved with the bodies of women.
Women have physically labored for much of human history. Their efforts haven't been as recognized as much by historians as men's efforts have.
That's not to take away from how men have contributed, mind you. But to say that the road to capitalism is not paved with the bodies of women is false.
I completely agree that women have physically labored for much of human history, and also have contributed in equal measure to much of the advances we now take for granted. My comment was not to diminish the suffrage of women under unjust and unequal systems, but to highlight that the majority of fatalities under capitalism are men.
Women 100% suffer under capitalism, there is no argument there, and yes their are definitely women in the brick and mortal of the road. The points I made and the sources I linked are specifically in context to the comment saying, "The road is made out of women more than men". If it is not an equal mix, the statistics I have access to would say that men make up the majority of fatalities under capitalism.
You are absolutely diminishing women's contributions and also positioning them as less enslaved by capitalism than men.
There are many, many ways that capitalism claims lives that aren't from war or construction.
Alright, while I don't see how I'm diminishing women's contributions that doesn't mean that it is not true. You've made your statement, but the burden of building your argument and coming out on the other end supporting that claim is on you.
I've cited sources to build my argument, I would expect equal labor if this is to be a conversation build on mutual respect.
Please attack the pieces of my argument that diminish women's contributions under capitalism.
This isn't a conversation built on mutual respect with how you're framing women here through history. I have no obligation to meet men at this level when they're trying to "logic" their way to discrediting women.
...I'm not a man :/ Also, there are people who are upvoting my comments, so it may be at everyone's benefit if you laid out your argument. Unless you have none, which is what I can only assume when you sidestep mutual respect with (checks notes) sexism.
Oof, Iβm sorry. I absolutely made an assumption there. I apologize for misgendering you.
Because women don't die in war. Or fail to receive proper medical treatment due to an establishment that failed to include them in research groups for most of history. Or are victims of domestic violence. And that's just in the western world.
I just want to point out that often women are actively pushed out of spaces like this. Ask any woman who has gone into a male dominated field how she is treated. We are often pushed out because of sexism, misogyny, and sexual harassment.
Example: I wanted to be an electrician, I was actively working towards that goal. I overheard how another electrician and the job foreman spoke about my body and the nasty things they would do to me if they had the chance when they thought I couldnβt hear them. It was disgusting and made me unsafe in that environment.