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Sorry to tell you but the swamp is emerging everywhere (in the first world anyway) all at once. Trump and co. definitely aren't helping, but European far-right politics are definitely not an American import.
There have always been dormant racists waiting to hatch but the concerted efforts and the real emergence happened around the Brexit/Trump first presidency time. It's a combination of events that allowed them to feel comfortable being misanthropes and come out of their shell. We've been going downhill ever since.
We certainly have had our own share of problematic groups but our society isn't yet rotten to the core in order to allow what's happening in the US right now with so little resistance. We are being affected though. And it's terrifying.
Not quite; the key event seems to have been the 2015 refugee crisis. The cleanest interpretation of the available evidence would be that Europeans just didn't have enough clear outsiders to trigger the near-hysterical reaction we're seeing now before that (the Roma being a clear example of how European societies treated clear outsiders even before Trump).
I mean, Europeans are even more anti-immigration than Americans. For the most part it seems to be that European countries/societies are exporting their dirty work to the Mediterranean instead. Besides, I mean, FrontEx isn't exactly a bastion of human rights, and neither are national forces. The rot you describe has been in Europe from the start; it just wasn't visible unless you paid attention.
Edit: See also: https://fedia.io/m/leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/2583036/Good-imperialism-and-bad-imperialism
While there is truth in what you're saying, and while the European immigration strategy has been to close eyes and it will go away, there is no comparison of what is happening in the US at the state level with how things are in the last decade in the EU, even at our worst.
Agreed, but I prefer his position. What can we do? We have strength in our numbers, but we have to fight the misinformation. How can we steal from them the control of information? How can we fight the bots they control? Federated networks help to some degree, but it's clear they are within us. Could we build an AI network to fight this? We can't throw the towel, we have to fight them!
The problem isn't information; it's actual things happening in real life. The far-right is as strong as it is because its lies contain a grain of truth: It offers (cruel and ineffective) solutions to people's very real problems. This means the only realistic solution here is to deny them that grain of truth by offering effective solutions to those problems. Now some effort is being made here—it's no coincidence that the left is rising as if in response to the far-right—but more of that needs to happen and fast. The focus on misinformation misses the fundamental reasons that misinformation works as well as it does (after all it's not like lying was invented in 2016).
There's a reason why some very bright people in tech with decades of experience aren't dismissing AI whole cloth.
The dangers are vast. The social harm is a real effect. The brain atrophy is an actual pitfall to be avoided, even at the cost of tying yourself to the metaphorical ship mast.
But the possibilities are also real, else they wouldn't be using them against us.
The hatred is fine and all, but I really really wish the kind of people who frequent the Fediverse and spouted all of the encouraging anti-establishment stances...also minded their basic Sun Tzu: