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It feels like you're confusing 'more left' with 'left'. What makes Europe more left is the greater redistribution of wealth, stronger welfare states, universal healthcare, stronger unions and labour rights, larger public sectors and greater regulation of capital. You can argue those things don't constitute socialism, but "left-wing" and "socialist" aren't actually synonyms either.
Conversely, the US is further right through lower taxation and redistribution, a weaker welfare state, predominantly market-based healthcare, weaker unions and labour protections, less generous statutory benefits, greater reliance on private provision, and generally fewer constraints on capital. Again, none of that makes Europe socialist. It makes Europe relatively further left than the US on the conventional political spectrum.
I cannot consider rights that are explicitly built on the backs of the global south as "left." Welfare under imperialist states is not the welfare created by a given society and redistributed, it's built on the backs of the global south. Imperialist states aren't regulating capital in the interest of their workers either, it's done to protect capital. It's also why safety nets are weakening across Europe, workers do not actually have power there.
Trying to argue that Europe is "more left" is more of a semantic argument. Both Europe and the US are built on imperialism and capitalism, and both are sliding further into fascism because of this.
We're just talking about different things. You're arguing about whether Europe qualifies as meaningfully left-wing under a Marxist framework; I'm only saying Europe is further left relative to the US. They're not contradictory claims.
I'm saying trying to say Europe is "further left" is more semantics than anything.
I mean, yeah, it's a relative comparison. Calling one country richer, more democratic or more authoritarian than another is "semantic" in the same sense. It doesn't make those comparisons meaningless.
Semantics aren't the same as making relative comparisons. I'm saying you have to kind of torture our understandings of what makes something more or less "left" to a degree that is more destructive to our understanding than constructive to say that Europe is "more left" than the US.