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[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You are presenting something as truth that is far from clear. Russia very much has the ambition to conquer the Baltics. Are they stupid and going for total war? Of course not. They play on many fronts, a main one is propaganda and help their people in the EU (Le Oen, AfD, FPÖ etc) get into power, let the US regime functionally betray NATO (no need to actually leave it) and then do some semi hybrid raoid attack to create facts.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay let me slightly correct myself: Russia won't invade EU territory unless they're 100% sure the EU won't do anything about it. This makes things like measuring response time and the like in the broader EU pointless, because if they have to deal with that they've already lost. I'm not denying the existence of the propaganda war, but victory there would make most of Carl's proposed goals superfluous.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I consider that statement still wrong.

Just because Nato and or EU could be undermined sufficiantly to be unresponsive doesn't mean individual member states will be.

That said, in the case of Germany I consider the propaganda aspect to be the primary motivation. To give the traitors in the member states propaganda amunition, erode the system and possibly deter help for Ukraine. In the case of Romania, Poland and the Baltics however Russia is probably very much metering out response time etc. There is however also a military component, metering out Germany and others determines how successful their people in the EU have to be to make an attack on the Baltics feasible.

Russia very much intends to attack at least the Baltics, the question is only when they think the time is right for it and last time I looked at it, the Baltics were in the EU.