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The problem with this sentiment is that you misrepresent the points of contention. This is not a disagreement over people’s preferred pizza toppings, where parties can safely “agree to disagree.” We are talking about positions that pose a clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist. Do you really think this hasn't been discussed? Do you genuinely think this hasn’t been talked about, debated, argued, demonstrated, illustrated, and experienced ad infinitum for literal decades?
The reason you are being downvoted (and justly so) is that your argument in this case is literally a form of victim-blaming. People being actively harmed, abused, and oppressed are under no obligated whatsoever to try and meet their aggressors in the middle or to concede any part of their existence to them. This disease was festering long before the internet existed. “Echo chambers” have nothing to do with it. It a matter of good versus evil, right versus wrong, liberty versus death. Neither the oppressed mor their defenders will lie down and die because you are inconvenienced by conflict they never wanted.
Example 2 of why Trump is in power, and how you guys still don't get it.
Are you suggesting that Trump does not take such positions?
Which positions that Trump takes are a "clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist"?
Deporting the most vulnerable members of society to forever prison in El Salvador, then telling the president of that country (on camera) that he needs to build four or five more forever prisons so Trump can start sending the "homegrowns".
Illegal immigrant gang members? What?
Have you seen any evidence of illegal immigrant gang members?
...are they in the room with us now?
Yes. The only people who have been sent to El Salvador were illegal immigrants with proven gang affiliation.
No, it was notably never proven. There's been no opportunity for anyone to review ICE's evidence. That's a big part of why everybody's riled up about it.
Garcia was proven in court in 2019 to be MS-13.
Every single one of them was in the country illegally to, and the Alien Enemies Act or whatever it’s called lets them these gang members and affiliates without further trials.
And either way - what is the “existential threat to a group of people for simply existing” like the original claim?
Garcia is one person, who was already handled by the courts and was not a danger. Is that two year old US citizen also guilty of gang membership?
The 2 year old didn’t go to jail. Do you think a 2 year old should be left in the USA by themself? Do you think their parents would want that, or would they want them to go with them back to their home country?
Garcia “not being a danger” is not only debatable, but also irrelevant. His wife took out an AVO on him at one stage, so that signals he might be a danger anyway.
They have already deported not just legal permanent residents, but actual citizens including a two year old girl.
(whoops, wrong person!)
They didn’t “deport” any two year old girl. The parents who were deported chose to take their 2 year old with them, because you know…..she’s 2 so she can’t really fend for herself in the USA. She can come back when she can.
That claim is untested in court meaning that they are innocent until proven guilty no matter what their immigration status is.
It’s been tested in court plenty of times. Garcia for example was determined by 2 separate courts/judges to be MS-13.
Which ones?
I literally just gave you the main example that everyone claims wasn’t tested in court, but actually was.
Where are the court documents?
Google them, the DOHS released them.
I have.
If you believe and respect those documents you must also believe and respect the ones that say the US must bring him back because he was under a protective order.
So do you want him brought back like the court found?
You think the documents are fake?
The Illegal Alien Act overrules the protective order.
That’s not what the latest judge just said though.
What lower court judges say is irrelevant. What matters is the Supreme Court when it comes to presidential actions.
The same Supreme Court that ruled 9-0 to bring him back to the US?
Because of a paperwork error.
Oh so you only like some of their rulings but others are mistakes?
Where did I say I didn’t like that ruling?
There’s nothing worse then a boring troll bud.
Where did I disagree with their ruling?
You’re the one trolling here bud.
You’re not my bud, guy.
You’re not my guy, pal.