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[–] funky_tomatoe@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml any takes on the AfD getting 44% in Sachsen-Anhalt? Do you think the BSW would/should back an AfD candidate if they get a stop to weapons shipments going through Sachsen-Anhalt? And how realistic do you think it is that the AfD will be able to legalize neighborhood patrols which essentially are brownshirt gangs?

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It was entirely predictable and if current trajectory continues we will see more of that sort of result, and with even bigger margins. The establishment is going to become desperate and pull out all sorts of legal warfare, media offensives and election manipulation to slow down the momentum but it won't work. In the end CDU will probably ally with them.

No, i think anti-imperialist leftists should remain equally separate from establishment parties as from AfD. Neither should be supported. If specific policies such as halting weapons shipments are under serious discussions then the left should back those policies specifically, not a party or candidate. In that sense, yes, the BSW should back AfD proposals that are congruent with BSW's own platform. I think this is logical.

At the same time, establishment attacks on the AfD as some kind of puppets of Russia should never be legitimized, not only because that narrative is absurd but because those same kinds of attacks get used against left wing parties too when we oppose wars.

I don't think that the AfD will keep its populist promises or govern as anything other than another neoliberal deregulation party for the benefit of corporations and the rich.

Anti-war parties on the left should recognize that the main priority in Germany needs to be to agitate and mobilize the masses against the buildup toward war. The AfD is not the biggest threat facing the working class at the moment. The warmongers in Brussels are.

All efforts should be focused on making sure everyone understands that it is the war mania and hysteria that has gripped the European elite that is the most immediate cause of the rollback in welfare and social safety nets and of the steep economic decline, including the disastrous energy situation caused by the self-destructive sanctions frenzy of Europe and complicity in US wars of aggression.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

If specific policies such as halting weapons shipments are under serious discussions then the left should back those policies specifically, not a party or candidate.

This makes sense to me as well, but since Germans can't conceive of a minority government which puts together majority votes on a case-by-case basis, I don't see it happening. Either someone (most likely CDU) agrees to a formal coalition with the AfD or there is a hung legislature and another election in a few months. The third option, a coalition of everyone but the AfD, seems even less likely since the CDU has formally prohibited itself cooperating with Die Linke (AfD as well but aside from the war/Russia question they agree on the important stuff).

I've also seen in Canada how the "anti-establishment" parties end up governing at the provincial level. Of course being against everything makes it hard to be for specific things to put into law, so these governments give handouts to their capitalist patrons and drinking buddies while spending the rest of the time complaining that they can't get anything done because everyone else is against them. I can see an AfD state government going in much the same way.