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[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Do you allow yourself to feel defeated from time to time? Like, "damn, being a communist is hard" or "this world sucks."

I have these moments, but I don't know if they are healthy or not.

(Thanks for the answers. I really appreciate them)

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Resistance is a process of going from defeat to defeat until victory.

Learn to enjoy the struggle.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I don't trauma-dump.

I tell war stories.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 9 points 2 days ago
[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 days ago

To each their own but i think some struggle is definitely healthy, with some caveats of course, i.e. no one should work 3 turns to survive.

Almost every communist leader could've lived an easy life, as most were born in privilege and highly educated, yet they chose the hard route to make the world a better place.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just like every revolution goes through periods of advancement and periods of retreat, so too do revolutionaries go though easy and difficult periods. It is important not to fear or deny that these periods are happening but to maintain our revolutionary discipline during them. To understand that defeat and temporary retreat are a fact of life but that this does not imply that we give up our goal or our hope.

"The proletarian revolutions maturing in all advanced countries of the world will be unable to solve their problems unless they combine the ability to fight heroically and to attack with the ability to retreat in good revolutionary order. The experience of the second period of our struggle, i.e., the experience of retreat, will in the future probably be just as useful to the workers of at least some countries, as the experience of the first period of our revolution, i.e., the experience of bold attack, will undoubtedly prove useful to the workers of all countries." – V.I. Lenin

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Everytime I read something from Lenin, his position as being as important as Marx and Engels is validated.

Like, he gets people (like me lol) going even after being dead for 100 years. He just has so many banger quotes.

thanks for this quote!

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Highly recommend reading this entire speech at some point if you have the time. Despite dealing with pragmatic, practical issues of the time, it is imo still very much applicable to today, especially in regards to China and the ultra-left criticism of China's path:

Retreat is a difficult matter, especially for revolutionaries who are accustomed to advance; especially when they have been accustomed to advance with enormous success for several years; especially if they are surrounded by revolutionaries in other countries who are longing for the time when they can launch an offensive. Seeing that we were retreating, several of them burst into tears in a disgraceful and childish manner, as was the case at the last extended Plenary Meeting of the Executive Committee of the Communist International. Moved by the best communist sentiments and communist aspirations, several of the comrades burst into tears because—oh horror!—the good Russian Communists were retreating. Perhaps it is now difficult for me to understand this West-European mentality, although I lived for quite a number of years in those marvellous democratic countries as an exile. Perhaps from their point of view this is such a difficult matter to understand that it is enough to make one weep. We, at any rate, have no time for sentiment. It was clear to us that because we had advanced so successfully for many years and had achieved so many extraordinary victories (and all this in a country that was in an appalling state of ruin and lacked the material resources!), to consolidate that advance, since we had-gained so much, it was absolutely essential for us to retreat. We could not hold all the positions we had captured in the first onslaught. On the other hand, it was because we had captured so much in the first onslaught, on the crest of the wave of enthusiasm displayed by the workers and peasants, that we had room enough to retreat a long distance, and can retreat still further now, without losing our main and fundamental positions. On the whole, the retreat was fairly orderly, although certain panic-stricken voices, among them that of the Workers’ Opposition (this was the tremendous harm it did!), caused losses in our ranks, caused a relaxation of discipline, and disturbed the proper order of retreat. The most dangerous thing during a retreat is panic. When a whole army (I speak in the figurative sense) is in retreat, it cannot have the same morale as when it is advancing. At every step you find a certain mood of depression. We even had poets who wrote that people were cold and starving in Moscow, that “everything before was bright and beautiful, but now trade and profiteering abound”. We have had quite a number of poetic effusions of this sort.

And this part was especially amusing to me:

The other day I read an article by Comrade Rakosi in No. 20 of The Communist International on a new book by Otto Bauer, from whom at one time we all learned, but who, like Kautsky, became a miserable petty bourgeois after the war. Bauer now writes: “There, they are now retreating to capitalism! We have always said that it was a bourgeois revolution.”

And the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries, all of whom preach this sort of thing, are astonished when we declare that we shall shoot people for such things. They are amazed; but surely it is clear. When an army is in retreat a hundred times more discipline is required than when it is advancing, because during an advance everybody presses forward. If everybody started rushing back now, it would spell immediate and inevitable disaster.

The most important thing at such a moment is to retreat in good order, to fix the precise limits of the retreat, and not to give way to panic. And when a Menshevik says, “You are now retreating; I have been advocating retreat all the time, I agree with you, I am your man, let us retreat together,” we say in reply, “For the public manifestations of Menshevism our revolutionary courts must pass the death sentence, otherwise they are not our courts, but God knows what.”

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

He's arguably the best of the "Five Heads" (I hate that we over-focus on just those five but whatever).

[–] Ember_NE@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It depends. It's hard to achieve change, but it's not that hard to work towards it (depending on situation). What I've "sacrificed" is spending some time reading and writing and trying to organize and talk to people. So the "sacrifice" is spending some of my time on learning, intellectual activity, being social, and political activity - all imporant parts of living a good human life IMO. I don't really think I get to feel that it is so hard when I know that there are many people who have worked much harder and made actual sacrifices.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 days ago

I think it's pretty normal to not be in high spirits about it all the time. Where it would probably count as unhealthy is if it was an actual active belief like "there's no way communism can win because xyz" kind of thing, or if it was general dooming like "we're doomed because the species sucks" or something.

Personally, though I have low moments for sure, I don't tend to feel that communism itself is in trouble because I'm confident that due to the way contradictions work, support for it will keep popping up and due to dialectical and historical materialism being a science, people would rediscover it even if it was majorly repressed. But also, China is right there and is doing quite well. The imperial core itself, I don't know, it's hard to be optimistic about it sometimes. But I think things are going to reach a point where that doesn't matter very much for the rest of the world and they will be able look on the (one day former) empire regions with pity rather than fear.