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The main issue comes from people not actually debating in good faith or their arguments boiling down to "I just don't think people that are different from me should exist."
Echo chambers aren't good sure, just look at the .ml instances, but allowing "free speech" and bigotry isn't good as well.
The problem with this is that sites like Reddit, Lemmy, old Twitter, and old (and possibly current) facebook, is that anything that goes against the echo chamber is called "bigotry" or any of the "phobic"'s and is censored, further cementing the echo chamber.
Care to cite an example of an opinion that was rejected? And make sure it’s not something pro-Zionist, pro-ICE, anti-trans, anti-Medicare, or pro-any person who holds those viewpoints. Those stances reject sanctity of human life.
You guys label “women’s sports is for women” as “anti-trans” though.
I’ll grant that trans people in sports is one issue that has some nuance to it.
The core problem I’d like to solve there is deciding where trans people can compete. The lawmakers that have fought to “protect women’s sports” generally only care about one faction, and have offered no solution for where these people could compete; denying them an entire life opportunity for no reason other than not finding a space for them. That’s why it’s called anti-trans.
What’s more, when the issue comes up, it’s at a State or even Federal level regarding one singular person in one school in that state. That’s a haunting level of personal focus on one’s life, especially in a lack of harmful actions to deserve it. We’ve had far smaller legislative responses to mass shootings.
Trans women, especially, don’t want anything other than to compete against women - this was evident by world swimming creating a trans category alongside the men’s and women’s and then not a single trans athlete registering, so they scrapped it.
Trans women can compete with the men since they are the male sex, and sport is separated by sex, not gender. Gender doesn’t make the average male significantly bigger/stronger/faster than the average woman - sex does.
Trans men can compete with women provided their testosterone levels fall in the accepted levels. If they choose to take lots of testosterone - a performance enhancing drug - then like any other woman they can’t compete.
The only real issue is that trans women want to compete against women because they can dominate.
Wanting men to stay out of women’s sports and other spaces is not “anti-trans”. I, as a male, shouldn’t be going to women’s gyms, saunas, doctors, etc. It’s not hate or fear of trans women, it’s simply understanding why those womens only places exist in the first place.