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Tried four separate search engines. Was looking for news articles or any other statements regarding trump’s activity and statemnts after 9/11. I distinctly remember him commenting about how he now had the “tallest building in Manhattan” or some such arrogant and callous lies rather quickly following the event.

But it seems pretty difficult to find ways to bracket dates on search engines, and even the ones that I could do so, the search results were partially “poisoned” by sites deliberately returning current information post-dated to the date range I was looking for. But all the results that would have been readily returned say a decade or more ago are gone. They don’t even show up.

Where did it all go?

All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place. - Orwell: 1984

Edit: not trying to be unthankful for the help, I know there are plenty of current articles referencing what he said 25 years ago, but I was looking for the actual article from a first-hand source in 2001-2 when he actually said it.

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[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Does it not bother you, search engines make their ai agent at the top of the page, then remove applicable results, so you have to use that agent to get that information?

You can't say they need the ai to find the results, because we saw search engines work better without them for 20 years.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I've only seen that with Google. If the result is useful, then I'll consider it. If not, then I'll scroll past to the search results.

Google's pure convenience, though. It's been compromised for years, but does have a huge database. If I'm not finding what I want, then I'll try something else.

Problem?

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

All the search engines became shit at once. Also I was forced to use bing the other day, shich ddg also is a sort of instance of, and both also have the ai agent lording over the results they no longer offer you.

All the search engines are engaged in an illegal shittrust to maximize revenue, and they've all removed many many applicable results, from links to streaming and downloading, to news articles, to everything.

Pure convenience my foot, Google is a shit company actively becoming worse, and only a frog in a boiling pot of google's shit doesn't see how bad it's gotten since 2021.

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

*ribbit!* *ribbit!*

You know there's an extension you can add that blocks Gemini from search results, right?

However, if you're truly that hand-wringingly concerned over this stuff, and don't like DuckDuckGo (or whatever), there's also a P2P search engine project, SearXNG: https://searx.space/

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Thanks for the tip, I tried those other alternates and none worked well so far, the pay one is supposed to be good, maybe I will give that one another chance I do appreciate it.

But that's neither here nor there. They removed results we wanted, to force us to use their AI. That's the big problem here.

And google's full of shit about removing gemini. I followed multiple recent articles about removing it from my phone and none of the instructions worked, not even the ones published by google.

Idk about google search specifically because I use startpage, a proxy server that runs google through it, based in the netherlands, started in the wake of the Snowden revelations, that keeps your browsing history anonymous. But you can also view pages anonymously from it, though not all sites work with that.