I agree. Killing someone is murder not matter the circumstances. But I am aware enough to know that not all murder is murder. Would you say the person who kills another person harming their family a murderer? By all definition they are, but would we hound them as evil or bad or crazy? Or would we say "they did what they did to defend their family."

But also I keep seeing this denial of what MAGA can do.

There is no greater danger than to underestimate your opponents.

If I was to step back and look at it, MAGA has proven again and again that they are capable and willing. To be even more honest, they are whooping our asses right now.

What I'm saying is, when the chips are laid down and the dust is settled and you are face to face with hateful human who doesn't care about your logic or beliefs, and is willing to mow you down to get what they want....do you really wanna push everyone who is willing to cross that line away?

I'd much rather have a person willing to pick up a spear and fight along side me than someone to quote to me why I'm wrong for wanting to fight.

I won't down vote you or anything. Your beliefs are yours. I know we both probably agree, we should strive for better as a species. But for me, I don't believe we can get to a better world unless we are willing to put our selves on the line for it.

(I'll try to reread your comment more, but right now I am spending time with my kid)